Massimiliano Allegri (219 Viewers)

[Vlad]

Allegri didn't get Allegried, it would have been a narrow 1-0 win against the run of play if he got Allegried. He got smashed.

It's ironic that the sadists now say it's not that bad because we dominated them. Suddenly that matters to them. That's assuming we really did dominate them which isn't true for the full match.

For a supposed CL expert he has too many humiliating results. Reaching the two finals is increasingly looking like flukes. Doesn't deserve the Euromax nickname anymore.

Yes, history revisionist now.

 

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[juve123]

The point is not about having 'game-changers' per se but introducing fresh legs against teams that have been defending all game could unlock goal scoring situations.
Two years ago, PSG were losing to Atalanta until they introduced Choupo-Moting and they won that game. Do you think he's some world class game changer?
Villareal introduced two attacking subs and the next minute, we commit an unforced error.
Allegri reacted way too late and ultimately fucked up. He was waiting to see what Emery would do rather than being proactive with his subs.

It's absolutely ridiculous that we are even having this discussion and some people are even absolving the coach of any blame when yesterday's result was the most humiliating loss since Fulham in 2010. That last 15 minute capitulation is completely on the coach.

Yes coach is reponsible for morata and vlahovic missing easy chances and rugani error of judgement.Either we decide to back the coach and give him one more season or continue the scapegoat policy.We are in this positon as the president and the management have completely lost direction after ronaldo project whose financial effects are still being felt.

 

[Hist]

Shit result, but top 4 and stabilizing our squad was always the goal. Lets not get carried away by a fluke CL defeat where we dominated them.
We are still in the run for a domestic double, we are stabilized and clearly showing progress with a somewhat fixed defense. Im curious to see what Allegri can do with a real mercato where he has his say. In his previous 12 mercatos its common knowledge that he never really had a say, so lets be patient before judging.

Not a fluke. We drew away and got smashed at home. We also got smashed by Chelsea and are playing like shit in the league often scraping narrow wins against very poor teams. And a terrible record against half decent teams.

The fluke is the 1-0 win over Chelsea. Ronaldo saving his ass by scoring a hatrick in the return leg against ATM. Allegri hasn't done well in Europe in years

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Review his results for yourself. Nothing here screams CL expert for years

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[juve123]

Not a fluke. We drew away and got smashed at home. We also got smashed by Chelsea and are playing like shit in the league often scraping narrow wins against very poor teams. And a terrible record against half decent teams.

The fluke is the 1-0 win over Chelsea. Ronaldo saving his ass by scoring a hatrick in the return leg against ATM. Allegri hasn't done well in Europe in years

Yeah everything is a fluke becoming the only manager in europe to win four domestic double is also fluke and reaching two champions league finals is also a fluke.

 

[Xperd]

Yes coach is reponsible for morata and vlahovic missing easy chances and rugani error of judgement.Either we decide to back the coach and give him one more season or continue the scapegoat policy.We are in this positon as the president and the management have completely lost direction after ronaldo project whose financial effects are still being felt.

Missing chances is part and parcel of the game. Even the best teams miss easy chances but they don't always rely on those 1-2 chances. They change in-game situations to create more scoring opportunities. That's the hallmark of being a world class team.
Despite creating those chances early in the game there was always a nervy and edgy vibe about the team. Even in the first half, every now and then, you had players misplacing simple passes or lacking any sort of understanding between each other. This team capitulates in pressure situations. The onus is on the coach to fix this.
But I agree, we can't continue on this vicious path of changing coaches every year. Allegri deserves another season but I don't know if he's the ideal long term option. This time next year, who knows, we might sit here again and discuss the shortcomings of Allegri. The same shortcomings that got him fired in the first place.

 

[Vlad]

The point is not about having 'game-changers' per se but introducing fresh legs against teams that have been defending all game could unlock goal scoring situations.
Two years ago, PSG were losing to Atalanta until they introduced Choupo-Moting and they won that game. Do you think he's some world class game changer?
Villareal introduced two attacking subs and the next minute, we commit an unforced error.
Allegri reacted way too late and ultimately fucked up. He was waiting to see what Emery would do rather than being proactive with his subs.

It's absolutely ridiculous that we are even having this discussion and some people are even absolving the coach of any blame when yesterday's result was the most humiliating loss since Fulham in 2010. That last 15 minute capitulation is completely on the coach.

How often does this happen though, introducing total scrub that manages to have the best game in his career? I keep looking at our bench but I cant see how Serie C level player like Pellegrini, or youngster Moretti who has 1 game to his name so far, could have added anything but fresh legs. Maybe Kean could have been brought earlier, while Dybala isnt 100%, but sad reality is our options on the bench have been extremely limited over the last few months due to injuries and players are running out of steam.

 

[juve123]

Missing chances is part and parcel of the game. Even the best teams miss easy chances but they don't always rely on those 1-2 chances. They change in-game situations to create more scoring opportunities. That's the hallmark of being a world class team.
Despite creating those chances early in the game there was always a nervy and edgy vibe about the team. Even in the first half, every now and then, you had players misplacing simple passes or lacking any sort of understanding between each other. This team capitulates in pressure situations. The onus is on the coach to fix this.
But I agree, we can't continue on this vicious path of changing coaches every year. Allegri deserves another season but I don't know if he's the ideal long term option. This time next year, who knows, we might sit here again and discuss the shortcomings of Allegri. The same shortcomings that got him fired in the first place.

It happened in the Ajax-Benfica game if you watched it.Depends on what is our expectations from the coach my expectations are that we first start winning serie a again and then hopefully we reach quarterfinals in europe.Again how many transfer windows do we require for a clearout and to assemble a squad capable of challenging only time we tell as our president and the management have lost direction.

 

[Vlad]

Missing chances is part and parcel of the game. Even the best teams miss easy chances but they don't always rely on those 1-2 chances. They change in-game situations to create more scoring opportunities. That's the hallmark of being a world class team.
Despite creating those chances early in the game there was always a nervy and edgy vibe about the team. Even in the first half, every now and then, you had players misplacing simple passes or lacking any sort of understanding between each other. This team capitulates in pressure situations. The onus is on the coach to fix this.
But I agree, we can't continue on this vicious path of changing coaches every year. Allegri deserves another season but I don't know if he's the ideal long term option. This time next year, who knows, we might sit here again and discuss the shortcomings of Allegri. The same shortcomings that got him fired in the first place.

Arthur and Rabiot should be nowhere near our 1st team. They lack every bit of quality that should be prerequisite for our team. Preferably they will be shipped off come the summer. How can we deal with pressure and play slick passes with these 2 around?

 

[juve123]

How often does this happen though, introducing total scrub that manages to have the best game in his career? I keep looking at our bench but I cant see how Serie C level player like Pellegrini, or youngster Moretti who has 1 game to his name so far, could have added anything but fresh legs. Maybe Kean could have been brought earlier, while Dybala isnt 100%, but sad reality is our options on the bench have been extremely limited over the last few months due to injuries and players are running out of steam.

The mentality aspect of the players is more worrying we go one nil down and then there is total chaos it has been happening far too often.The same thing happens to psg .

 

[Xperd]

How often does this happen though, introducing total scrub that manages to have the best game in his career? I keep looking at our bench but I cant see how Serie C level player like Pellegrini, or youngster Moretti who has 1 game to his name so far, could have added anything but fresh legs. Maybe Kean could have been brought earlier, while Dybala isnt 100%, but sad reality is our options on the bench have been extremely limited over the last few months due to injuries and players are running out of steam.

How often does it happen? That's not for me to say. I'm talking about the intent. You have a team defending all game. Why wouldn't you want to introduce fresh legs to change things up?
Who did Villareal have on the bench? The guys that came on didn't have the best game of their lives either but they managed to help unsettle our defense.
Would Kean running past a 37 year old Albiol unlocked a goal scoring situation? I don't know, maybe. But before we could make any of those subs, it was all too little too late.
Allegri fucked up the last 20 minutes royally. I really looked like he was anticipating extra time and saving up his subs for ET. He just got outsmarted, plain and simple.

 

[Inglip]

Arthur and Rabiot should be nowhere near our 1st team.

Rabio although an average player, seems to be worse than previous seasons

 

[delpiero1986]

I don´t like this pussy-philosophy how he plays this kind of games. it looks so scared and you can compare it when you look an amateur when he plays chess.
I mean IT WAS VILLARREAL!!! you have to go out and kick their asses out of the stadium like Bayern do it every time against B-teams in the CL. why we are not able to play the same way???? we struggle every time because we go only for 1 goal and after we concede we wake up, but then it´s to late.

 

[Strickland]

How often does it happen? That's not for me to say. I'm talking about the intent. You have a team defending all game. Why wouldn't you want to introduce fresh legs to change things up?
Who did Villareal have on the bench? The guys that came on didn't have the best game of their lives either but they managed to help unsettle our defense.
Would Kean running past a 37 year old Albiol unlocked a goal scoring situation? I don't know, maybe. But before we could make any of those subs, it was all too little too late.
Allegri fucked up the last 20 minutes royally. I really looked like he was anticipating extra time and saving up his subs for ET. He just got outsmarted, plain and simple.

Which is batshit crazy for an era with 5 subs. I'm not saying we should've made 3 or 4 substitutions, but 1 or 2 were absolutely necessary already around 55-60 minutes.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

I’m still mad he’s so stubborn to make changes but at the same time I still believe with a better midfield we would not be going through this shit. It’s such a pathetic group of individuals that can only pass back or sideways and relay on nothing but crosses. Our gameplan is disgusting compared to the big European clubs and has been for a while.

 

[Signora Omicidi]

Give him better players, so what? We will get smashed by the likes of Liverpool and City just like Barca and real did to us.

Players aren't the problem. This team can't win CL with this coach even if we had top 3 best squad in the world.

 

[Xorim]

Yeah everything is a fluke becoming the only manager in europe to win four domestic double is also fluke and reaching two champions league finals is also a fluke.

Who gives a shit about coppa italia, it's a joke tourney. Also winning the league was only expected, not overperforming.

He took over a very well oiled machine, the best juve midfield i probably have witnessed since 30 years.

Allegri does a good job at finetuning and adjusting a good team.

He is utter trash at taking over a bad team and turning them into a great one.
This is where Conte excelled. Turning shit to gold. He did it with us, with Italy, with Chelski and Inter.

Right now we need a conte type of coach, a motivator and drill master. Not a "oh yeah i am happy with my team, even if we lost 3-0 at home to paella" schlong coach. Allegri can stay as assistant, fine for me. Demote him.

 

[juve123]

Who gives a shit about coppa italia, it's a joke tourney. Also winning the league was only expected, not overperforming.

He took over a very well oiled machine, the best juve midfield i probably have witnessed since 30 years.

Allegri does a good job at finetuning and adjusting a good team.

He is utter trash at taking over a bad team and turning them into a great one.
This is where Conte excelled. Turning shit to gold. He did it with us, with Italy, with Chelski and Inter.

Right now we need a conte type of coach, a motivator and drill master. Not a "oh yeah i am happy with my team, even if we lost 3-0 at home to paella" schlong coach. Allegri can stay as assistant, fine for me. Demote him.

 

[IliveForJuve]

I'm not sure if he's capable of teaching his players how to attack or if they're just so bad that they're untrainable.

Team's always static in attack

 

[Patrizi]

I don't know what you're talking about. Allegri has managed to make solid team so far. If it weren't for these absurd results at the beginning of the season, we'd be challenging for the Scudetto. His set-up last night was absolutely spot on in my opinion. We dominated last night. We should've been 1-0, if not 2-0 up at half time. Emery was grasping at straws with 11 men in his box waiting for a miracle. That miracle was Rugani. 20 minutes in I said Rugani would somehow cost us the game. He did.

We were getting frustrated by their set-up and became unbalanced. If "calma" has ever been justified, it was last night.

 

[juve123]