Massimiliano Allegri (173 Viewers)

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My friends mocked me at work because of his idiotic tactic.

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[Pegi]

Anybody who blames him, should check themselves.

 

[juve123]

I definitely don’t think the first 30 minutes of the second half were good. They were pretty bleh. But Villarreal still created absolutely nothing and barely touched the ball. Even the penalty wasn’t a dumb mistake by Rugani (who otherwise had an excellent match) on something that wasn’t actually a scoring chance. I think we ran ourselves out of gas dominating the first half. And our bench lacked any quality (at least with regard to actually fit players with minutes in their legs) to change things. I don’t really know what the answer was after we failed to capitalize on all those first half chances. Allegri didn’t do a good job with his subs, too little, too late. But with what we had on the bench it was a tough spot to be in. Any subs made were a significant drop in quality (again with Dybala being half fit) and it’s not like we had high energy runners on the bench either.

We are definitely paying for the bad recruitment policies and instabilitity created by the management.Again we have some big decisions to make on dybala,bernadeschi renewal etc.There doesnt seem to be a quick fix to our midfield problems as Ramsey will be back again and Arthur still on our books.First we need to start winning the scudetto again before thinking that we can compete europe again.

 

[Strickland]

I definitely don’t think the first 30 minutes of the second half were good. They were pretty bleh. But Villarreal still created absolutely nothing and barely touched the ball. Even the penalty wasn’t a dumb mistake by Rugani (who otherwise had an excellent match) on something that wasn’t actually a scoring chance. I think we ran ourselves out of gas dominating the first half. And our bench lacked any quality (at least with regard to actually fit players with minutes in their legs) to change things. I don’t really know what the answer was after we failed to capitalize on all those first half chances. Allegri didn’t do a good job with his subs, too little, too late. But with what we had on the bench it was a tough spot to be in. Any subs made were a significant drop in quality (again with Dybala being half fit) and it’s not like we had high energy runners on the bench either.

Thats exactly my point, it's like he was either content with whats going on the pitch (I doubt it) or started already calculating those extra time 30 minutes for his subs.. Either way I thought that Emery out-Allegri'd Allegri here, in the 2nd half they played a perfect replica of the Barca-Juve match-up in the Cardiff season where we knocked out the MSN with similar tactics.

In regards to subs options I thought of (of course without knowing the fitness status of players):
Berna for Arthur and push Loca back,
switch sides for Cuads and MDS (Cuads side was way too crowded and MDS couldn't capitalize on 1v1 situations),
put Pellegrini on for MDS,
put Dybala on for Morata.
I really don't get why we didn't try anything up until we conceded, obviously Arthur was never going to provide that killer pass for Morata and Vlahovic. especially in the 5 subs era...

 

[juve123]

Thats exactly my point, it's like he was either content with whats going on the pitch (I doubt it) or started already calculating those extra time 30 minutes for his subs.. Either way I thought that Emery out-Allegri'd Allegri here, in the 2nd half they played a perfect replica of the Barca-Juve match-up in the Cardiff season where we knocked out the MSN with similar tactics.

In regards to subs options I thought of (of course without knowing the fitness status of players):
Berna for Arthur and push Loca back,
switch sides for Cuads and MDS (Cuads side was way too crowded and MDS couldn't capitalize on 1v1 situations),
put Pellegrini on for MDS,
put Dybala on for Morata.
I really don't get why we didn't try anything up until we conceded, obviously Arthur was never going to provide that killer pass for Morata and Vlahovic. especially in the 5 subs era...

Unfortunately the mentality of our players completely collapsing after rugani mistake similar to psg is where we are at the moment.We need to start competing for the scudetto before thinking that we can even challenge in the champions league.

 

[singus]

Shit result, but top 4 and stabilizing our squad was always the goal. Lets not get carried away by a fluke CL defeat where we dominated them.
We are still in the run for a domestic double, we are stabilized and clearly showing progress with a somewhat fixed defense. Im curious to see what Allegri can do with a real mercato where he has his say. In his previous 12 mercatos its common knowledge that he never really had a say, so lets be patient before judging based on absolutely no data.

 

[Post Ironic]

Thats exactly my point, it's like he was either content with whats going on the pitch (I doubt it) or started already calculating those extra time 30 minutes for his subs.. Either way I thought that Emery out-Allegri'd Allegri here, in the 2nd half they played a perfect replica of the Barca-Juve match-up in the Cardiff season where we knocked out the MSN with similar tactics.

In regards to subs options I thought of (of course without knowing the fitness status of players):
Berna for Arthur and push Loca back,
switch sides for Cuads and MDS (Cuads side was way too crowded and MDS couldn't capitalize on 1v1 situations),
put Pellegrini on for MDS,
put Dybala on for Morata.
I really don't get why we didn't try anything up until we conceded, obviously Arthur was never going to provide that killer pass for Morata and Vlahovic. especially in the 5 subs era...

Yeah. I’m with you and others in wishing he had tried such subs earlier. Pellegrini could have been a big one imo. That and moving players around, to shift things. I think we saw when Dybala came on he wasn’t close to fit and did zilch on the pitch. Which has been his CL knockout career for 5 years now, unfortunately. Bernadeschi didn’t have near his usual energy either which was disappointing. Our bench was pretty thin. Kean for Morty (even if Kean has been super poor this year, he can still score, especially from crosses), and Pellegrini for MdS would have got some fresh legs on…

 

[juve123]

Yeah. I’m with you and others in wishing he had tried such subs earlier. Pellegrini could have been a big one imo. That and moving players around, to shift things. I think we saw when Dybala came on he wasn’t close to fit and did zilch on the pitch. Which has been his CL knockout career for 5 years now, unfortunately. Bernadeschi didn’t have near his usual energy either which was disappointing. Our bench was pretty thin. Kean for Morty (even if Kean has been super poor this year, he can still score, especially from crosses), and Pellegrini for MdS would have got some fresh legs on…

Pellegrini,bernadeschi to be game changers no wonder we have fallen of the top tier of champions League along with Arthur Rabiot and Locatelli most disjointed midfield in europe.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Pellegrini,bernadeschi to be game changers no wonder we have fallen of the top tier of champions League along with Arthur Rabiot and Locatelli most disjointed midfield in europe.

So? Zalayeta was a game changer, once Sturaro was a game changer in the UCL

 

[Xperd]

italians will never understand that fast and quick players are making difference and not hardworking players.

Are you serious? There are many Italian coaches out there that play high pressing, fast paced aggressive football.

This is why we're getting played off the park by minnow teams in Serie A.

Even the Italian national team had wide players that were genuine game changers and Mancini realized the importance of having them.

 

[GrandeGigi]

Lol. He literally set us to be proactive and dominate the game for 75 minutes. It sucks we couldn’t capitalize and finish our chances, but it is what it is. We sucked ass in the last 15 minutes and mentally collapsed. Sure, he could have made the subs earlier or subbed on some untested youngsters, I agree with that, but we hardly played a “reactive” match today. Only the subs were reactive.

The fact you bring up Dybala who came on and played like an unfit mentally weak pussy is hilarious. If you wanna bash Allegri, bash your little boy crush too, bro.

Personally I didn’t see the approach as proactive. It was somewhere in between kind of like our pressing where there was a half press, with our two CFs on their CB and Locatelli on Parejo. We weren’t confident enough to press higher and likely believed Villareal could play out of a press and because we feared allowing their wingers one on one with our full backs.

It was a simple chess match played, where I believe Allegri was happy for the game to be decided on a moment of quality or an individual mistake.
This approach imo can be justified if you have a team full of high calibre experienced players who make minimal errors, or you are playing against a superior side that you will likely lose against if you open up.

We had Rugani, Arthur, Rabbit and even De Ligt on the field. All of them have shown they are prone to errors and lack concentration at the highest level for 90 mins. We also played against a side we were superior to with our first 11 albeit they had more far more depth than us on the bench however due to our injuries.

For this reason, I didn’t agree with the approach. The last 2 years of knockout games should’ve already shown that these players aren’t reliable enough to not make mistakes.

 

[juve123]

So? Zalayeta was a game changer, once Sturaro was a game changer in the UCL

Good that you had to go back 18-20 years to think of game changers.

 

[kappa96]

Either he wins the CI and makes top 4 or street. Simple as that.
Not doing so would mean regression.

 

[juve123]

Either he wins the CI and makes top 4 or street. Simple as that.
Not doing so would mean regression.

Yes with Arthur killer passes spilitting defences.Let us first build squad capable of winning the scudetto only then we can consider challenging in europe.

 

[kappa96]

Yes with Arthur killer passes spilitting defences.Let us first build squad capable of winning the scudetto only then we can consider challenging in europe.

I belive pirlo also had arthur that was splitting defences.
Just look what top4 and CI winner got him.

 

[juve123]

I belive pirlo also had arthur that was splitting defences.
Just look what top4 and CI winner got him.

we scraped through the top 4 on last day depending on napoli doing us favours and this season we are 7 points behind milan hopefully we can do something and build from that.Zidane is available who will ask a big transfer budget and then there are no guarantees that we will improve or decline.

 

[Elvin]

Shit result, but top 4 and stabilizing our squad was always the goal. Lets not get carried away by a fluke CL defeat where we dominated them.
We are still in the run for a domestic double, we are stabilized and clearly showing progress with a somewhat fixed defense. Im curious to see what Allegri can do with a real mercato where he has his say. In his previous 12 mercatos its common knowledge that he never really had a say, so lets be patient before judging.

It's a fluke if it happens once, not 4 years in a row.

Something is rotten deep inside, it's not an individual issues of a coach or some player, there is some core mental problems within an entire organization.

 

[Xperd]

Good that you had to go back 18-20 years to think of game changers.

The point is not about having 'game-changers' per se but introducing fresh legs against teams that have been defending all game could unlock goal scoring situations.
Two years ago, PSG were losing to Atalanta until they introduced Choupo-Moting and they won that game. Do you think he's some world class game changer?
Villareal introduced two attacking subs and the next minute, we commit an unforced error.
Allegri reacted way too late and ultimately fucked up. He was waiting to see what Emery would do rather than being proactive with his subs.

It's absolutely ridiculous that we are even having this discussion and some people are even absolving the coach of any blame when yesterday's result was the most humiliating loss since Fulham in 2010. That last 15 minute capitulation is completely on the coach.

 

[maxi]

Im curious to see what Allegri can do with a real mercato where he has his say.

Poor excuse. He was literally given one of Europe's top goalscorers in the last mercato. Going out in the UCL like this is inexcusable for any top team when you have a player like that on your squad.

People here are going at such great lengths to defend him. Where was this treatment for Pirlo and Sarri? So far Allegri has brought nothing different to the table than either one of them. If anything we seem to be doing worse.

 

[Hist]

Allegri didn't get Allegried, it would have been a narrow 1-0 win against the run of play if he got Allegried. He got smashed.

It's ironic that the sadists now say it's not that bad because we dominated them. Suddenly that matters to them. That's assuming we really did dominate them which isn't true for the full match.

For a supposed CL expert he has too many humiliating results. Reaching the two finals is increasingly looking like flukes. Doesn't deserve the Euromax nickname anymore.