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The reality is that we are in this situation after a poor start and it will be difficult. We can aim for what we want but football isn't a constant, funnily enough other teams have ambitions too. Napoli, Inter, Roma, Fiorentina, they all think they can win the scudetto now. At the start of the season they might have hoped, just as we now hope. That is adjusting and working to your situation.
Or we can spend a lot of time stood still and finger pointing as the others sail off into the distance, giving up like the other faggot teams in the league because the going is tough. That's not what this club is about. Third place minimum is the worst case scenario to salvage a season financially because of the money the CL brings, but that doesn't mean that we are content with third place. Juventus never is.
But separate reality from desire, because the reality is that no club wins the scudetto every season. Our current squad was assembled with mid-long term in mind, whilst not giving up short term aspirations, only concessions for what is new and lost.
The reality is that we are in this situation after a poor start and it will be difficult. We can aim for what we want but football isn't a constant, funnily enough other teams have ambitions too. Napoli, Inter, Roma, Fiorentina, they all think they can win the scudetto now. At the start of the season they might have hoped, just as we now hope. That is adjusting and working to your situation.
Or we can spend a lot of time stood still and finger pointing as the others sail off into the distance, giving up like the other faggot teams in the league because the going is tough. That's not what this club is about. Third place minimum is the worst case scenario to salvage a season financially because of the money the CL brings, but that doesn't mean that we are content with third place. Juventus never is.
But separate reality from desire, because the reality is that no club wins the scudetto every season. Our current squad was assembled with mid-long term in mind, whilst not giving up short term aspirations, only concessions for what is new and lost.
FTFY.
Desire unfortunately is created in our minds by what the people who run this club tell us. For eg. Agnelli after the CL, "This is only the beginning." Marrotta in pre-season "Goetze is the profile of player we are looking for." That is what creates desire, and that is what makes you expect success. The reality however, is what we experience every Sunday, a team playing at half mast, because it is led by inept management and a confused coach.
I am a pretty reasonable person and fan to understand that Juve cannot win the scudetti for a decade on the trot, and it is identifiable that there there was need for change. But the actual reality of the situation is that, it is unlikely we will make our adapted target of top 3, and that's not because the coach couldn't get the best out of this team alone. It's down to the fact that we went from being in a position to control the amount of change we could initiate to losing that edge. And that's largely down to the fact that our priorities were misplaced in the summer.
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Morata and Pogba gone in the summer most likely. So you could question mid term success as well. Fact is, these guys tried to repeat the formula they implemented when Conte was around, and that team grew way faster than anybody could imagine. Lightning doesn't strike unfortunately.
Desire unfortunately is created in our minds by what the people who run this club tell us. For eg. Agnelli after the CL, "This is only the beginning." Marrotta in pre-season "Goetze is the profile of player we are looking for." That is what creates desire, and that is what makes you expect success. The reality however, is what we experience every Sunday, a team playing at half mast, because it is led by inept management and a confused coach.
I am a pretty reasonable person and fan to understand that Juve cannot win the scudetti for a decade on the trot, and it is identifiable that there there was need for change. But the actual reality of the situation is that, it is unlikely we will make our adapted target of top 3, and that's not because the coach couldn't get the best out of this team alone. It's down to the fact that we went from being in a position to control the amount of change we could initiate to losing that edge. And that's largely down to the fact that our priorities were misplaced in the summer.
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Morata and Pogba gone in the summer most likely. So you could question mid term success as well. Fact is, these guys tried to repeat the formula they implemented when Conte was around, and that team grew way faster than anybody could imagine. Lightning doesn't strike unfortunately.
Young, talented players. Dybala, Rugani, Pereyra, Alex Sandro, Lemina, Sturaro and Morata are all under 25 players bought in the past two seasons. That is something the club spoke about at length, reducing the age of the squad to ensure our future. We tried to offset it with the experience of Khedira, Cuadrado, Mandzukic and others, because you can't just use kids.
If you don't agree with the choice of players that is something else.
If you don't agree with the choice of players that is something else.
Morata and Pogba are the pick of that bunch and they're also most likely to be the ones that will be compromised because of how we have gone about our plans this summer. From the outset, we actually jeopardised a top 3 finish with almost 10 new players and a disastrous pre-season that needed more intricate planning given the number of new players.
As an aside, the experience of Mandzukic, Khedira and Cuadrado is not proportionate to the outgoing experience and class of Pirlo, Tevez and Vidal to necessarily have an immediate and/or similar impact knowing our own ambitions.
As an aside, the experience of Mandzukic, Khedira and Cuadrado is not proportionate to the outgoing experience and class of Pirlo, Tevez and Vidal to necessarily have an immediate and/or similar impact knowing our own ambitions.
Don't "fix things" for me, thanks.
You've made it pretty clear over several years that you don't like the management, despite our success, so I feel I'm wasting my time to discuss that aspect in any detail. In fact it seems something of a goal to spam every thread with this negativity when things aren't going well. You were right, well done for now. Now you don't like the coach. But really it's a mixture of things. No one is going to deny mistakes, unless the club is winning every season there is always scope to apportion blame and all the rest, but I've never really been all that interested in spending time doing that. Been watching football far too long. I know that the squad we've assembled is better than it is placed, but it's up to the players to prove it.
One thing you can put down to the coach and remove from the management is what appears to be a lack of hunger in our play. Something you can put down to complacency, and maybe some of the new players haven't yet understood that they couldn't just sign for Juventus and win a scudetto, as seemed likely on the outside. So we've dug ourselves into a hole and now find ourselves under pressure in every game. That's something we've not experienced for four seasons.
Enough with the fatalist attitude, this isn't Juventus of last year and was never going to be.
You've made it pretty clear over several years that you don't like the management, despite our success, so I feel I'm wasting my time to discuss that aspect in any detail. In fact it seems something of a goal to spam every thread with this negativity when things aren't going well. You were right, well done for now. Now you don't like the coach. But really it's a mixture of things. No one is going to deny mistakes, unless the club is winning every season there is always scope to apportion blame and all the rest, but I've never really been all that interested in spending time doing that. Been watching football far too long. I know that the squad we've assembled is better than it is placed, but it's up to the players to prove it.
One thing you can put down to the coach and remove from the management is what appears to be a lack of hunger in our play. Something you can put down to complacency, and maybe some of the new players haven't yet understood that they couldn't just sign for Juventus and win a scudetto, as seemed likely on the outside. So we've dug ourselves into a hole and now find ourselves under pressure in every game. That's something we've not experienced for four seasons.
Enough with the fatalist attitude, this isn't Juventus of last year and was never going to be.
