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Marotta's revolution, with or against it?? (5 Viewers)
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Making a squad of 20 senior players, 2-3 of which will be new and high quality players, will be a hell of a job to do. Especially getting rid of some players will be very hard.
Seriously, it's gonna be a massive task and it gets even tougher if we don't have CL. Just have in mind that we have a lot of money to pay for some of those loan+rights to buy and that getting rid of some of our high earners will be incredibly hard.
It's easy for Moggi to say what should be done, but even he with all his experience will have a tough time achieving that goal.
Needless to say that there is no way Marotta to do it. He can't do it.
Seriously, it's gonna be a massive task and it gets even tougher if we don't have CL. Just have in mind that we have a lot of money to pay for some of those loan+rights to buy and that getting rid of some of our high earners will be incredibly hard.
It's easy for Moggi to say what should be done, but even he with all his experience will have a tough time achieving that goal.
Needless to say that there is no way Marotta to do it. He can't do it.
It's not difficult to understand. We can not and will not be spending €80m (plus god knows what in wages) in one transfer window without significant sales.
We haven't spent €85m on players
We haven't spent €85m on players
- AM RL Simone Pepe 1983 Udinese (loan 2.6m €) +7.5m buyout
- GK Marco Storari 1977 Milan (4.5m €)
- AM RL, F C Jorge Andrés Martínez 1983 Catania (12m €)
- D C Leonardo Bonucci 1987 Bari/Genoa (15.5m €)
- D R Marco Motta 1986 Udinese (loan 1.25m €) +3.75m € buyout
- AM R Miloš Krasić 1984 CSKA Moscow (15m €)
- M C Alberto Aquilani 1984 Liverpool (loan) +15m € buyout
- F C Fabio Quagliarella 1983 (loan 4.5m €) +10.5m € buyout
- D C Vincenzo Camilleri 1992 Reggina (loan) + rights to buy half(0.7m €)
- D/M L Armand Traoré 1989 Arsenal (loan 0.5m €)
- D C Leandro Rinaudo 1983 Napoli (loan 0.6m €) +5m € buyout
- D RC Frederik H. Sorensen 1992 Lynby (loan) + rights to buy(0.13m €)
- Andrea Barzagli 1981 D C Wolfsburg (0.3-0.6m €)
- Alessandro Matri 1984 ST Cagliari (2.5m €) + 15.5m
http://forum.juventuz.com/showthread.php?30242-2010-11-Juventus-mercato-and-roster
Loan fees = 9.6M Euros
Already Signed players = 47.5M Euros
Option prices on remaining players = 58.08M Euros
So even if we sign zero of the loan players permanently, we have already agreed to pay other clubs 57.1M Euros in loan fees and signings.
Lets say we sign two players out of the remaining options we might exercise, just two. Clearly that is very likely. So if we sign Aquilani and Matri, that would mean we have another 30.5M Euros in obligations to pay. Forget about Quag, Pepe, Motta and the others for now.
What does that leave us with, at the end of the day, including all installments and loan fees for players? 87.6M Euros
So yeah, here's you saying that we won't spend 80M Euros when we have already agreed to pay 57.1M. Screw your installment plans. At the end of the day, it's still the cost of the fucking players we have signed already. If you don't think we'll sign any of the option players, fine. Be a dotard.
I think JJ wants to say that we're not going to be 80m eur in minus and that you need to add sales to the final calculation.
From the 57.1M you need to take the money we got from sales, co-ownerships and loans, which is 39.1M (Ariaudo 1.3M, Criscito 6M, Molinaro 3.9M, Almiron 2.5M, Diego 15.5M, Ekdal 2.4M, Poulsen 5.4M, Tiago 0.5M, Esposito 0.6M, Giovinco 1M)
So, for 2010/2011 we are in minus of 18M eur.
Now, for next season we'll probably already start with a minus of ~45-50m when we'll buy Quag, Pepe, Matri, Sorensen and Aquilani. To that we'll add the new purchases and then we'll take the sales into consideration too.
I think you two are misunderstanding each other. JuveJay is saying that there is no way we'll be in a -80M eu minus, not that we won't buy players for 80M eur.
From the 57.1M you need to take the money we got from sales, co-ownerships and loans, which is 39.1M (Ariaudo 1.3M, Criscito 6M, Molinaro 3.9M, Almiron 2.5M, Diego 15.5M, Ekdal 2.4M, Poulsen 5.4M, Tiago 0.5M, Esposito 0.6M, Giovinco 1M)
So, for 2010/2011 we are in minus of 18M eur.
Now, for next season we'll probably already start with a minus of ~45-50m when we'll buy Quag, Pepe, Matri, Sorensen and Aquilani. To that we'll add the new purchases and then we'll take the sales into consideration too.
I think you two are misunderstanding each other. JuveJay is saying that there is no way we'll be in a -80M eu minus, not that we won't buy players for 80M eur.
We're talking about spending money, regardless of sales. We are not talking about cash flows here. He said we don't have 80M to spend on players like Sanchez and Benzema, yet from the above analysis we have already spent, in one form or another, 57.1M. So there's no reason we cannot spend 80M to bring in better players when we'll be splashing out close to 90M on signings this year when it's all said in done.
I don't have to take into account sales because that's not what we're talking about. If I go out to the store on payday and buy 100 Euros worth of groceries after bringing in a paycheck of 50 Euros, I'm not going to say I spent 50 Euros for groceries. No, that's just fucking retarded.
I don't have to take into account sales because that's not what we're talking about. If I go out to the store on payday and buy 100 Euros worth of groceries after bringing in a paycheck of 50 Euros, I'm not going to say I spent 50 Euros for groceries. No, that's just fucking retarded.
If we don't get fourth this year we will be screwed because next year if I'm not mistaken Germany takes over our spot with 4 european teams in CL. So, that means we will have to make minimum of 3rd, which isn't even close to us now.
Keep in mind, Inter, Milan, and Napoli will continue to reinforce their teams to ensure their places aren't threatened as easily which means we will need to reinforce that much more to overlap them.
IMO, not to many careD), we should have kept Marrone, Criscito, Giovinco, and Ekdal and ditched Sissoko, and a few others. Keeping those players which were already ours would have made so much more sense than spending what we did on Pepe, Sissoko's wages, and fix our LB problem for practically nothing which means we would have that money necessary to buy 2-3 great players.
I'm sure I will get called a broken record here with my stance on youth players but I know andy will agree with me when I say that the 4 I mentioned would bring much more than DC, Sissoko, and Pepe and cost us nothing other than already low wages, plus we could have made a more of a profit on Momo last summer than we would have next summer.
I just hope that we bring back some of them if its even possible now and build on what we should have been building on 2 years ago.
Like someone said eariler, and I think I said it about a month ago, if we had been buying 2 WC players per season since 07 we would already have 6-7 on top of what we already have (had) plus include the young guns we were dumb enough to let go of.
Keep in mind, Inter, Milan, and Napoli will continue to reinforce their teams to ensure their places aren't threatened as easily which means we will need to reinforce that much more to overlap them.
IMO, not to many care
D), we should have kept Marrone, Criscito, Giovinco, and Ekdal and ditched Sissoko, and a few others. Keeping those players which were already ours would have made so much more sense than spending what we did on Pepe, Sissoko's wages, and fix our LB problem for practically nothing which means we would have that money necessary to buy 2-3 great players.I'm sure I will get called a broken record here with my stance on youth players but I know andy will agree with me when I say that the 4 I mentioned would bring much more than DC, Sissoko, and Pepe and cost us nothing other than already low wages, plus we could have made a more of a profit on Momo last summer than we would have next summer.
I just hope that we bring back some of them if its even possible now and build on what we should have been building on 2 years ago.
Like someone said eariler, and I think I said it about a month ago, if we had been buying 2 WC players per season since 07 we would already have 6-7 on top of what we already have (had) plus include the young guns we were dumb enough to let go of.
