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I think the only way we are getting a new CB is through this whole swap with Alves.
we disagree on one thing (again) the sale of criscito, i see it as a sacrifice we made, to sell his half for a lesser sum we could have got, since there were offers for him after a good year.
But we agreed to sell him cheaper than we should for about 2.5mil
So from his sale, in my books we lose 2.5mil, but in your books we make 7mil, wich is just BS imo, i would prefer the player which i rate more than Bonucci and the 15.5mil hot cash.
The 15.5 cash cannot be taken away from Bonucci fee, is would make the 6mil from criscito anyway, even if we didnt buy Bonucci, its absurd to claim that he costs only 7.5 as some ppl say, because we made money from another deal.
And considering the fact that Criscito's value has risen and our need to buy another player at this position, we actually lost a lot of cash in that deal and i also remember apart from Almiron's half, they were mentioned 2 more youngsters.
We sacrificed all that, our capital, our property, as a total amount of the 15.5mil we gave, plus the 2.5 we could have made if werent forced to sell Criscito that cheap and a couple more from the other deals. When we lose players or a % of their contract in a trade deal to buy a player, it does not meas that we didnt actually paid that sum for him, but we have exchanged our capital in other forms.
It could be important that year to calculate the remaining funds we had for transfers, but in the long run, as i foretold you, we will lose all the players (contracts) and the cash we wasted on Bonucci.
For ex, we want to buy Rossi, Villareal claims he is worthy of 30 mil and want 15 mil and players for the other 15 mil
We offer 15mil and Krasic, but they counter-offer that they rate Krasic for 7mil only and they want us to throw in Vucinic as well.
If we accept to give them 15mil+Krasic+Vucinic, we didnt lost only the 15 mil and Rossi should not be considered as a player we bought for 15mil cash.
To calculate his value we must add in the cash we gave the total sum of the player we gave and imo even their market value, because the club that sells is forcing us to sell off players under their value or the deal is off.
Thats exactly what we did on Bonucci's case, we gave up too much, far too much!!!
But we agreed to sell him cheaper than we should for about 2.5mil
So from his sale, in my books we lose 2.5mil, but in your books we make 7mil, wich is just BS imo, i would prefer the player which i rate more than Bonucci and the 15.5mil hot cash.
The 15.5 cash cannot be taken away from Bonucci fee, is would make the 6mil from criscito anyway, even if we didnt buy Bonucci, its absurd to claim that he costs only 7.5 as some ppl say, because we made money from another deal.
And considering the fact that Criscito's value has risen and our need to buy another player at this position, we actually lost a lot of cash in that deal and i also remember apart from Almiron's half, they were mentioned 2 more youngsters.
We sacrificed all that, our capital, our property, as a total amount of the 15.5mil we gave, plus the 2.5 we could have made if werent forced to sell Criscito that cheap and a couple more from the other deals. When we lose players or a % of their contract in a trade deal to buy a player, it does not meas that we didnt actually paid that sum for him, but we have exchanged our capital in other forms.
It could be important that year to calculate the remaining funds we had for transfers, but in the long run, as i foretold you, we will lose all the players (contracts) and the cash we wasted on Bonucci.
For ex, we want to buy Rossi, Villareal claims he is worthy of 30 mil and want 15 mil and players for the other 15 mil
We offer 15mil and Krasic, but they counter-offer that they rate Krasic for 7mil only and they want us to throw in Vucinic as well.
If we accept to give them 15mil+Krasic+Vucinic, we didnt lost only the 15 mil and Rossi should not be considered as a player we bought for 15mil cash.
To calculate his value we must add in the cash we gave the total sum of the player we gave and imo even their market value, because the club that sells is forcing us to sell off players under their value or the deal is off.
Thats exactly what we did on Bonucci's case, we gave up too much, far too much!!!
Cron, I think we got more than a fair amount for Criscito.
In 2008/09 we got 1m eur for loaning him to Genoa, in 2009/2010 Genoa bought half of him for 5.5m eur and last summer we got 6m eur for the remaining half. That's 12.5m eur for Criscito. I don't think it's too little.
Zenit bought him for 11m eur this summer, which means that half of him is worth ~5.5m eur, which is actually less than what we got last summer.
We DID overpay dearly for Bonucci. That's not even debatable. But your way of calculating Bonucci's price is wrong imo. Even if we tried to sell half of Almiron and half of Criscito, we weren't gonna get more than the 8.5m eur we got. Adding the 7m cash, it turns out that we paid 15-16m eur for Bonucci. Certainly not more than that.
And also, we did pay 15.5m eur for Bonucci, not a penny more. We paid that in cash. How on earth do you get the 20m?
In 2008/09 we got 1m eur for loaning him to Genoa, in 2009/2010 Genoa bought half of him for 5.5m eur and last summer we got 6m eur for the remaining half. That's 12.5m eur for Criscito. I don't think it's too little.
Zenit bought him for 11m eur this summer, which means that half of him is worth ~5.5m eur, which is actually less than what we got last summer.
We DID overpay dearly for Bonucci. That's not even debatable. But your way of calculating Bonucci's price is wrong imo. Even if we tried to sell half of Almiron and half of Criscito, we weren't gonna get more than the 8.5m eur we got. Adding the 7m cash, it turns out that we paid 15-16m eur for Bonucci. Certainly not more than that.
And also, we did pay 15.5m eur for Bonucci, not a penny more. We paid that in cash. How on earth do you get the 20m?
I remeber 2009 season everyone were saying that we should one of Bari kids (Ranochia/Bonucci) when we picked up Bonucci , some here saied we should have gone for Ranocchia because he is better 
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i believe that we could make more than 11.5 mil from Criscito, Milan and other clubs were ready to overpay more than 15mil for him, with 6mil we could get him back and save our selves from another 15mil acquisition.
The player was valued tha much after a disastrous season on bench, but after a decent seaspn playing as starter, his price naturally has risen, we have accepted the lowest fee possible and made no effort to claim him back and profit some more, or from his services,
we gave up our chances to make profit out of this for Bonucci.
Lets see Marotta to try and buy such a player, after the year he had with Genoa and see how much is he going to pay!!
This is where we disagree, you consider the loss of Criscito a profit and i consider it a loss.
Also giving Almiron's 50% for half the price we gave to get him is also another privilege we let go to sweeten the Bonucci deal.
At any case, this should not interfere with the 15.5 mil fee we gave, for Bonucci, as we lost a players contract for that and would make that cash anyway.
To explain it numbers because some boys have difficulty to follow.
We bought Almiron for 10mil or so. We loaned Criscito as a CB to Genoa and the 50% of his contract for 5-5mil and it was deemed far too little.
Under Gasperini ha had the best season of his career and guess in what position?
Molinaros!!
We were desperate to find a decent replacement and a young and Italian CB, with 6mil we could get him back.
Other Italian clubs like Milan were eager to sign him, for 15mil, a price that Zenit did pay to get him.
A price we would have paid to any club having such a young and Italian player.
There is no way in hell, his price would remain 11mil, so the second 50% of his contract should cost more than 5.5mil
we took just 0.5 more and settled with the likes of Grosso and caceres.
For a 15mil fee Zenit gave his 50% would be, 7.5mil, not 5.5 or 6 we have accepted.
No matter how you look at it, we lost some cash, lets say 1.5+15.5=17mil
And we also gave away Almiron's half for 2.5mil, a player we bought for 9 mil, (9mil-50%=4.5mil)
4.5mil-2.5mil we got = 2mil loss
=>19total loss, no matter how you see it...
The player was valued tha much after a disastrous season on bench, but after a decent seaspn playing as starter, his price naturally has risen, we have accepted the lowest fee possible and made no effort to claim him back and profit some more, or from his services,
we gave up our chances to make profit out of this for Bonucci.
Lets see Marotta to try and buy such a player, after the year he had with Genoa and see how much is he going to pay!!
This is where we disagree, you consider the loss of Criscito a profit and i consider it a loss.
Also giving Almiron's 50% for half the price we gave to get him is also another privilege we let go to sweeten the Bonucci deal.
At any case, this should not interfere with the 15.5 mil fee we gave, for Bonucci, as we lost a players contract for that and would make that cash anyway.
To explain it numbers because some boys have difficulty to follow.
We bought Almiron for 10mil or so. We loaned Criscito as a CB to Genoa and the 50% of his contract for 5-5mil and it was deemed far too little.
Under Gasperini ha had the best season of his career and guess in what position?
Molinaros!!
We were desperate to find a decent replacement and a young and Italian CB, with 6mil we could get him back.
Other Italian clubs like Milan were eager to sign him, for 15mil, a price that Zenit did pay to get him.
A price we would have paid to any club having such a young and Italian player.
There is no way in hell, his price would remain 11mil, so the second 50% of his contract should cost more than 5.5mil
we took just 0.5 more and settled with the likes of Grosso and caceres.
For a 15mil fee Zenit gave his 50% would be, 7.5mil, not 5.5 or 6 we have accepted.
No matter how you look at it, we lost some cash, lets say 1.5+15.5=17mil
And we also gave away Almiron's half for 2.5mil, a player we bought for 9 mil, (9mil-50%=4.5mil)
4.5mil-2.5mil we got = 2mil loss
=>19total loss, no matter how you see it...
