Juve & Barca to exchange players (16 Viewers)

[Antonio]

Look. Let's make an example. Let's say we work in the same shop. And we got a boss. I dont have problems with you, you dont have problems with me. We ok. Buyers doesnt have problems with me, they love us. Ok? One day, you go to the boss, you have a confrontation, and you disrespect him (the reasons are not important). The next day, you are fired. Now for sure buyers (fans) will miss you. Now for sure i'll miss you. But you know, when you disrespect the boss, that's the consequence. That's what happened with Davids and Juventus. We aint a team where everybody can disrespect our Society (like Inter-Vieri). We got rules. We are Juventus. Davids has had problems with our Society, we "fired" him.

PLUS..

In 2001, Davids asket to be traded. Live on TV. Do you all remember? It was after Arsenal-Juve of Champions. Davids just returned from the 5 months ban, and he was playing hella bad. He finished on the bench, that game, and he said something like "What's the problem? If i dont start here, it's not a problem. I can do it in another team!". Lippi didnt like that interview (live on TV, here in Italy. Just after the game). Cause Juve helped him from the ban, protected him, didnt buy another player to replace him, etc...

From that moment, the feeling between Davids and Lippi/Moggi wasnt the same no more.

In the summer of 2002, Davids asked again to be traded. He wanted to go to Roma. But Moggi refused. He considered Davids untradable, a champion. We didnt sell him (plus we hate Roma with a passion, so..). Davids didnt accept it well, and in the mid of the season, he said the unfamous "Juve's Society? I'd not like to drink coffees with them". Meaning he didnt like them. Another disrespect, and this one was probably been the decisive one. In feb 2003, Lippi asked Moggi to buy Appiah (to gradually take the place of Davids), Lippi has confirmed it a couple of times. This summer, Juve didnt want to negotiate with Davids. It was already over. We chosed to still keep him, and to play with him till the rest of the season. But in New Jersey, Davids went in a club and returned at Juve's HQ at 3 am. Another disrespect for the society. Plus, when he played, he played for himself, trying 100 dribblings and not defending, he was playing for other scouts, not for the team. So arrogant that Lippi had a very nervous reaction with the press, calling out his name... From that day, Davids has lost his starter status. From that day, he was pratically an ex.

So.. there's not a single reason. It's the whole thing. It's a love who finished. Not only with Moggi, but with Lippi too.

For sure we miss him, but when a love finishes....

 

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[Sc_azzurrik]

ah!!! now i see! thanx!
it is the last thing when u disrescpect....when u publicly show yr disrespect! but i thought it was in his natural way, isn it so?!
he's the one that cannot calmly react! yeah!

it was the point of principal or honour?! we don't need money from u , just get out of here, yeah?!
then everything is clear!

 

[kaizer]

nice explainations antonio :thumb:

i know bout the "wont drink coffee together" thing

 

[Antonio]

Yeah. Davids is like that. We've accepted him and his controversial things till 2001. Then love was already finished.

 

[#10]

i think the rom abit is what pissed him off....it would be like Giggs asking for a tranfers to man city......if he did, utd would be jus a bit pissed with him.

Asking for a transfer to the much hated roma, when ur a juve favourite is jus not the right thing to do.

 

[Dominic]

Good riddance, I say..

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Dominic ] ++
Good riddance, I say..

After losing 4-0 to Roma, amongst many other recent poor performances??

I think Davids' absence is half the reason we're so frail in defence; we're not controlling the midfield enough. Davids should never have left

 

[Martin]

Davids drags Barca back to life

Dangerous Dutchman Edgar Davids has single-handedly dragged Barcelona back amongst Spanish football's big boys, as Sid Lowe reports

Hooray for Edgar Davids! Hooray for the dreadlocked Dutchman striking a devastating blow for those of us who are speccy four-eyeses (or should that be four-eyei?). No more must we feel inferior, because Edgar has proven that wearing glasses rocks.

You see, after four really rubbish seasons and a terrible start to this campaign, Football Club Barcelona are back with a vengeance, and they owe it all to the hardman - yes, hardman - in the specs. (Well, him and the world's funniest fantasy footballer, Ronaldinho. And Xavi Hernández and Javier Saviola ...but that's not the point: Davids is the man.)

Last night, Barça defeated Deportivo de La Coruña 3-2 in a sensational, frantic and wonderfully epic match that had everything. "It was fun, flashy and sometimes spectacular, it could have finished 6-4 or 4-6," said Depor boss Javier Irureta, and he wasn't wrong. "Barça are the best side to have come to Riazor this season."

Big words, but then it was Barça's sixth victory on the trot, officially making them Spain's best team in the second half of the season. And not because of some quirk of fixtures, either: Barça won away at Sevilla and Osasuna, at Mestalla against Valencia, and beat then-flying Atlético 3-1 at the Camp Nou. Only Albacete, who they thrashed 5-0, are rubbish.

Yes, there's a man with glasses in charge and suddenly crisis and Barcelona, traditionally as inseparable as Noel Gallagher's eyebrows, are freaky ex-lovers under a restraining order.

And Davids, who arrived during the winter transfer window, really has been the catalyst, which is pretty good for a man that Real Madrid's intellectual sporting director Jorge Valdano - who obviously has unresolved spectacle jealousy issues - dismissed as "not a galáctico". For a man who Marca columnist and ex-Madrid winger Míchel, sneered was a has-been who'd bring "nothing" to Barça.

Pah! Everybody's talking about outrageously brilliant, utterly loveable funster Ronaldinho and neat midfielder Xavi, but it is Davids' arrival that has put Barça back on course. Inevitably for man nicknamed the Doberman, he has brought bite and competitiveness to Barça's previously vulnerable midfield, as well protecting the back four, led by Carles Puyol, who spends every game, comically over-gesticulating - rather like Una Stubbs. Davids is what the Spanish call the "lungs" of the side, working to keep the rest ticking over, breathing life into all around him.

Yet the defensive midfielder's presence has actually been felt most keenly further forward. His arrival has allowed Frank Rijkaard to push Ronaldinho, nominally playing on the left, right up alongside Javier Saviola, and encourage right winger Luis García forward. Most importantly, though, the stability Davids provides means that Xavi has finally become decisive.

Xavi too often flattered to deceive in the middle but now, liberated from the rubbish jobs and playing far further up, his neat vision, excellent delivery and clever angled passing is paying off. Last night, his corner created the opener for Ronaldinho midway through the first half and a superb, slick interchange between the same pair made a fantastic second for Saviola just four minutes later.

And that slick movement and scurrying pace up front is the other key to Barça's revival, embodied by one absent man - for, elegantly talented though he is, Barça's improvement has coincided with an injury to Patrik Kluivert.

Capable of scoring great goals, Kluivert is, however, also a master of misses - not the predator Barça's fans want. He's yet to score more than 20 in the league and one study showed that only 13 of his Barcelona strikes have earned a win or draw. Kluivert also needs too many chances, whilst last night Barça scored three from five chances in the first hour. More importantly still, Kluivert's style is too self-consciously clever, too elegant, far too slow - in contrast to the running of Saviola, Luis García and Ronaldinho.

There is, however, one downer with Davids: he's already been sent off once and trouble follows him round like the Clash (that's trouble following the Clash, not the Clash following Davids, although it would be fun). Last night Rijkaard took Davids off at half-time with Barça leading 2-0 because he feared a red for the hyped-up goggle-eyed genius, who'd already seen yellow. It was a cunning idea, but then the best laid plans of mice (if mice really make plans, which this column frankly doubts) and men gang aft aglay goolies or something. And so it proved.

Ronaldinho scored Barça's third, but Depor pulled two back in just seven minutes and really should have got an equaliser - three times the ball flashed across Barça's six yard box like a streaker on a freezing night, but Depor just couldn't find the finish. The guiltiest man was Albert Luque, who reached a Sergio cross two yards out, nudged the ball into the turf. And watched it bounce over the bar.

Depor couldn't believe their luck. Especially as they'd been playing against 10 men for 15 minutes after - and here come those mice and their gangly goolies again - Thiago Motta, the man who replaced Davids, had been sent off for two yellows. Not that Motta was to blame. He got the first yellow for a foul on Valerón, which was actually committed by Cocu. And Motta, the No. 23, got his second and a red for another foul on Valerón, committed by Oleguer, who ever-so-confusingly wears 32. The referee? Yes, the man who gave that penalty at the Bernabéu two weeks ago: 1920s moustachioed wally Pedro Tristante Oliva. What a man.

football.guardian.co.uk

 

[Majed]

wierdly written article ... good one though :thumb:

PS.. poor Motta! That ref should be suspended.

 

[gray]

Weirdly written indeed. I enjoyed it though

 

[Ian]

You knwo what pisses me off? When idiots get Davids' nickname wrong...I hear, "The Bulldog" and "The Doberman." What's with these idiots? His nickname is, "The Pittbull." It's not really that hard...

 

[Desmond]

isn't it supposed to be "the pitbull" with 1 "t"?

 

[Dominic]

++ [ originally posted by Graham ] ++


After losing 4-0 to Roma, amongst many other recent poor performances??

I think Davids' absence is half the reason we're so frail in defence; we're not controlling the midfield enough. Davids should never have left

We started the season out very well, at that point Davids already wasn't a starter.

 

[Alucard Belmont]

thnx a lot for the explanations, Antonio.
if that's the case, maybe it was a right choice to let him go.
I still love him though.

 

[Sc_azzurrik]

does it mean now that many juve fans will watch davids' play in barca?! or even show the sympathy for that team, ah?!
imho in spain i like valencia more!
by the way i was shocked after 2 last matches of valencia!!! f*ck of real!

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by Paranoia ] ++
isn't it supposed to be "the pitbull" with 1 "t"?

Indeed. But still, "pittbull" is a hell of a lot closer than "The Doberman"!

 

[Antonio]

LOL

 

[#10]

Ahhh well at least he's doing a good job for a fallen giant, hope barca sign his ass, cos its clear what he is doin for them....Shame he lost his drive for juve.

 

[Layce Erayce]

loved that article.

screw all of you

 

[#10]

.............cheers dude. :groan:..............