[ITA] Serie A 2014/2015 (25 Viewers)

[Hust]

The US seems less outwardly racist, at least in official positions and general society, but that's hardly surprising as you're going to get either beat down or lose your job being that way. Proximal socialisation suggests there will be pros and cons with latent racism. It's all ignorance, either way. Probably not worth character assassinating someone over, just educating.

Not sure where in Italy racism is worse but in the US there are certain pockets you stay away from regardless of the color of skin you have. The US is so big you find a little bit of everything...racism against blacks some against whites now against Latinos...you even find some against trailor park trash regardless of skin color...you also see everyone living together in some cases.

But racism is certainly alive and kicking here as it is anywhere else in the world.

 

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[Seven]

Denmark and huge problems? Interesting.

I guess most other countries in the World have gigantic problems with racism.

Come on now, Maddy. I even mentioned Belgium to lessen the blow. But you know what I'm talking about.

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The US far worse than Italy when it comes to racism? That's hard to believe.

The FIGC's new president, didn't he make some insanely racist comment and still got the position, I don't see that happening in the UK or the US.

The US have an incredible amount of latent racism.

 

[Maddy]

Come on now, Maddy. I even mentioned Belgium to lessen the blow. But you know what I'm talking about.

I'm confident I know what you refer to. But calling it a huge problem?

 

[Hust]

Because it's not true. The USA has as little social mobility as any European country. But we don't consistently state that if you fail it's your own damn fault. We acknowledge that socio-economic factors might complicate your dream.

Somehow Americans are indoctrinated by this idea that if they just work hard enough, good things will happen. Well, working hard does not mean shit. Sorry.

Depends what your view of the American Dream is.

Is it becoming a millionaire? Sure, I knew a few here that came from immigrant parents and yes, they did work hard enough when things weren't working in their favor. I also knew plenty that being on the higher end of the middle class is what they wanted to achieve...nothing extravagant but having enough purchasing power to nail down that luxury car or take their family on an annual Disneyland vacation. Then their are those even further down the line that are straight immigrants coming from latin america or africa that are from straight up poverty and THOSE are the ones you see working two jobs to make a better living than what they had and get their children through school.

So yeah, you are completely wrong here. I see most members on Tuz from the US doing well and well on their way up the economic scale.

I'm enjoying my American Dream, I can tell you that. And yes, I do work hard.

 

[Valerio.]

Remember the 60'?? anything like that ever happened in Europe? remind me pls.

 

[Raz]

Remember the 60'?? anything like that ever happened in Europe? remind me pls.

what about europe 30'-40'?

 

[Maddy]

Remember the 60'?? anything like that ever happened in Europe? remind me pls.

 

[Hust]

There is racism in Europe all over. I saw it in Germany when I lived their with their view of the Turkish coming.

Racism is pretty much everywhere in some fashion.

 

[Raz]

There is racism in Europe all over. I saw it in Germany when I lived their with their view of the Turkish coming.

Racism is pretty much everywhere in some fashion.

No denying that, but at least it's not swept under the rug on the same scale as in US of A. Black president? Please...

 

[Maddy]

The American Dream

What a hoax.

 

[Seven]

I'm confident I know what you refer to. But calling it a huge problem?

It depends. I think there is still a lot of racism in all of Europe and I think it does negatively impact a lot of people. So, yes, I think it is a huge problem. On the other hand it's not as if black people are clubbed to death by the Ku Klux Klan in Denmark. The problem is there, but it's probably not the biggest issue right now.

Depends what your view of the American Dream is.

Is it becoming a millionaire? Sure, I knew a few here that came from immigrant parents and yes, they did work hard enough when things weren't working in their favor. I also knew plenty that being on the higher end of the middle class is what they wanted to achieve...nothing extravagant but having enough purchasing power to nail down that luxury car or take their family on an annual Disneyland vacation. Then their are those even further down the line that are straight immigrants coming from latin america or africa that are from straight up poverty and THOSE are the ones you see working two jobs to make a better living than what they had and get their children through school.

So yeah, you are completely wrong here. I see most members on Tuz from the US doing well and well on their way up the economic scale.

I'm enjoying my American Dream, I can tell you that. And yes, I do work hard.

Yes, but that's not the American Dream. And it's something you could achieve in Belgium or Italy too for that matter.

The American Dream basically guarantees that if you work hard, success will come your way. And that is a blatant lie.

 

[Maddy]

No denying that, but at least it's not swept under the rug on the same scale as in US of A. Black president? Please...

Fox News is pretty clear in their racism. Their viewers are just too stoooopid to realise they are bunch of bigots.

 

[Seven]

Remember the 60'?? anything like that ever happened in Europe? remind me pls.

Someone slaughtered a whole bunch of people somewhere around 1940 though.

No denying that, but at least it's not swept under the rug on the same scale as in US of A. Black president? Please...

This is my point exactly. And because you act as if it doesn't exist, that actually makes it even worse.

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Fox News is pretty clear in their racism. Their viewers are just too stoooopid to realise they are bunch bigots.

Well, if people actually believe Birmingham is a no go sharia war zone..

 

[Maddy]

It depends. I think there is still a lot of racism in all of Europe and I think it does negatively impact a lot of people. So, yes, I think it is a huge problem. On the other hand it's not as if black people are clubbed to death by the Ku Klux Klan in Denmark. The problem is there, but it's probably not the biggest issue right now.

Well, then I agree.

But all in all Denmark is a very tolerant country. Anti Jewish immigrants and refugees and their kids is a problem (the biggest problem imho), an increase in islamophobia is as well and then I see a tendency to become more "critical" of eastern europeans.

 

[Hust]

No denying that, but at least it's not swept under the rug on the same scale as in US of A. Black president? Please...

Depends I guess where it happens. If it happens on the national level of course it will be bushed under the rug. But then you have certain people trying to scream racism when it was never present (looking at you Al Sharpton).

Yes, but that's not the American Dream. And it's something you could achieve in Belgium or Italy too for that matter.

The American Dream basically guarantees that if you work hard, success will come your way. And that is a blatant lie.

So what is the American Dream to you?

It isn't a lie, its an idea. Of course luck doesn't show its face for everyone but it does not mean its not true.

Again, it's all dependent on the view of each person here trying to Achieve the dream what their idea of the dream is.

 

[Seven]

Well, then I agree.

But all in all Denmark is a very tolerant country. Anti Jewish immigrants and refugees and their kids is a problem, an increase in islamophobia is as well and then I see a tendency to become more "critical" of eastern europeans.

I think this is pretty common in all of western Europe.

 

[zizinho]

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oh wait, wrong thread...

 

[Seven]

So what is the American Dream to you?

It isn't a lie, its an idea. Of course luck doesn't show its face for everyone but it does not mean its not true.

Again, it's all dependent on the view of each person here trying to Achieve the dream what their idea of the dream is.

The American Dream, as it is always portrayed in movies, is simple: if you work hard, good things happen.

Unfortunately life does not work that way. We are very slowly evolving towards a meritocracy, because deep down we know that it is more just. That much is true. But we are very far from it as of now.

 

[Bezzy]

Parma bankrupt

 

[Hust]

The American Dream, as it is always portrayed in movies, is simple: if you work hard, good things happen.

Unfortunately life does not work that way. We are very slowly evolving towards a meritocracy, because deep down we know that is more just. That much is true. But we are very far from it as of now.

Again, it depends one what the view of the dream the person has.

Religious independence and a steady middle class job? Starting your own small business? Becoming a millionaire? The Dream changes from person to person, Seven.

The fact you need to tell me that you take the dream as its portrayed in Hollywood is sad.