[ITA] Serie A 2012/2013 (50 Viewers)

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Jul 1, 2010
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finally you are exhibiting the traits of having an opinion of your own. Or maybe not, considering what Deneb said just a couple of posts above.

Something I cannot urge you strongly enough to seriously think about. Who knows, you might even thank me one day, 20 years from now.
Ironic coming from the person who repeats what Galliani and his minions say in a more subtle way over and over again.

You represent well the club you support, you deserve each other.
 

deggen10

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I feel sorry for Montella only. That said, I'm cheering for Italian teams in CL and Europa league next season like I always do. (Montella can go far in Europa League with Fiorentina).

Forza Italia.
People always say this but it just won't happen because there is no point in wasting energy in EL (for Italian teams).

The sad thing about Fiorentina missing out is that they play attacking/creative football that could work well in CL but instead we get Allegri and his DM fetish which always becomes useless when the other team scores first.
 

Red

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Serie A crowds up a bit on last year:

http://www.calciomercato.com/prima-...ano-gli-spettatori-inter-media-piu-alt-500692

Atalanta, Bologna, Catania, Inter, Milan, Napoli, Parma, Roma, Siena and Udinese all had their biggest crowd of the season when they played Juve.

Could include Lazio in that as well, because they won't have had a bigger crowd than the one against Juve in the Coppa Italia.

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More detailed breakdown:

http://www.stadiapostcards.com/A12-13.htm

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Verona's average attendance in Serie B (15,402) would have put them at 14th in Serie A for average attendance.

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Roma's Curva Sud to closed for a game because of racist chanting:

http://www.calciomercato.com/prima-pagina/cori-contro-balotelli-multa-all-inter-roma-curva-sud-chiusa-per--182624

Would like to know why they've received that punishment but Juve haven't had any part of their ground closed through the season.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Could you tell me when and who exactly made you the reference point and judge on what it means to be "unbiased"? I hope you realize that there is no such thing.

The Pk situation, AGAIN, was a 50-50 one - some refs would give it, some wouldn't based on how they judge the extent/severity of the existent contact. However said contact was not a product of my or the refs imagination - if you actually took a closer look at it, you'd see that the defender was pulling Balotellin in exactly the opposite direction he was trying to go in order to intersect the trajectory of the cross. Call it dangerous/stupid/careless defending but when a dfeneder makes a play like that they better calculate the risks well because a PK is the outcome often enough ... not always, but often enough.

The reason why it looks such a contentious call does not really stem from the call itself but the circumstances of how and when it happened (end of a game Milan needed to win) and that it was given for Milan (the source of everything evil in Italian footie, as per Juve fans these days - some even have a theory about it and are likely close to publishing a book or at least a paper on the phenomenon).

My point is that a foul is foul whether it takes place in the PA or not and whether it happens 3 min into the game or 3 min away from it's end; whether it decides which team gets relegated or which team goes onto playing the CL. Granted, many refs don't have the balls to treat situations separate from the circumstances in which they take place but it's how it should be. hence why previous history of whether similar situations have been or not given as PK shouldn't really matter much, tbh.
So, unless you are claiming that I am imagining the contact you quite frankly got squat on the "biased" front.

As for whether what I said earlier was condescending and/or patronizing, I assure you I meant it as a light-hearted remark, nothing more. Whether you choose to buy that or not, is entirely up to you but you should know well by now that if I wanted to push someone's head up their ass, I don't beat about the bush but go straight for chain-saw ;).

Furthermore, I challenge you go back 20-30 pages and see for yourself if anything of what I said earlier was untrue. If so, then it can't be condescending and/or patronizing, can it? It becomes inconvenient truth. The inconvenient truth of an easily predictable pattern being the hallmark of lack of complexity of thinking.
If your response was the function of you not liking the idea of you being part of said predictable pattern, well, I for one never implied you were ... but if you saw it that way, then I suppose you have much more serious matters to worry about than whether I was/am being condescending and/or patronizing or not.



In case you really need to know - while admitting Matri's goal was a good one, I said that Muntari's goal was more important as a single situation fr the simple and obvious reason that every moment in a game is a function of the entire game up to that point. E.g if Muntari's goal did count there is no saying that the situation of Matri's off-side goal would have ever happened as the game would have had a very diff complexion altogether. Similarly, there is no way to tell for sure that had Muntari's goal counted, Juve would have scored 3 goals after that and won the game.
All in all, I said that game and especially single episode in a whole season wasn't the reason why Juve won the scudetto.

Interesting though how you directly assumed what I may have said/implied without obviously having much if any info on the matter. Not unlike many people here putting all PKs that went Milan's way in the same basket independent of whether they should have been given or not, I must say. Someone might even say that illinformed assumptions are bias' little sisters.
And you were worried about me being biased.

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I am not saying it wasn't soft i.e. on a diff day it may well not have been given or another ref may well not have given it on the same day under the same circumstances. It's just that quite a few people here have "selective" reading skills and see what they assume I am saying and not what I am actually saying.

Anyways, here is a little further on my opinion on the matter as part of a reply to a diff post:


unless you are implying that I am Galliani, I don't see the rationale of you assuming what he may or may not say 3 years from now - what is being said here is between me and some other people; Galliani is of absolutely no relevance here.

I mentioned that episode from the Barca-Milan game as an example that's relevant to the existing situation. Whether and what you decide to read into it is up to you. Doubt one assumption more or less would make a huge difference, context considered.

you calling it a 50 50 challenge is why you are extremely biased and that foul would not be called anywhere on the pitch regardless of the time on the clock. The contention of the call s because of the nature of the contact which is that of 2 players trying to get to the ball crossing paths with one flopping like a mackerel. If you cant see the vergogna in this incident compounded by the timing and the stakes then you have more problems to worry about than a few antoganizing posts in the tuz(see how that one works)

As for your tone it has been for a while patronizing and i have every right to call you out on it, stop trying to come off as objective: you are not. you also should lose the haughty disdain of only replying to some and assuming the rest is not worth your time, i think you are a solid poster and sociable dude, the proof is you are appreciated here despite your maligned allegiances, but when it comes to italian football you should seriously rethink your approach and the nature of your contribution.

Now on to the biggest joke of them all, the use of butterfly effect to discount the matri example and the confirmation that my assumption was indeed correct, so if we are to take that line of thinking then siena is given that penal and at the very least erasing the milan penalty incident and at best up 2-0. Your team does not deserve to be in the CL and your input in this part of the frum is as big of a joke as your circus of a club which is by far and this is no fiction but fact, the most corrupt sports organization in italy.
 
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5TH CONSECUTIVE PODIUM FINISH

Key players may have left, but in the last five seasons, Milan have never slipped out of the top three spots in the Italian top flight.

MILAN – In the last five season, Milan have won one less title than Inter and Juventus, but nevertheless have shown more continuity. The Bianconeri finished seventh in 2009 and 2010 while the Nerazzurri finished 6th last season and 9th in this campaign. The Rossoneri on the other hand, have never been outside of the top three spots.

All of this despite Ricardo Kakà leaving in 2009 and the loss of 14 players last summer.

Here are the numbers:

2012-2013: Juventus 87 points - Napoli 78 - Milan 72
2011-2012: Juventus 84 points - Milan 80 - Udinese 64
2010-2011: Milan 82 points - Inter 76 - Napoli 70
2009-2010: Inter 82 points - Roma 80 - Milan 70
2008-2009: Inter 84 points - Juventus 74 - Milan 74 (Milan with a better goal difference but Juventus in front in the head-to-head clashes).

http://www.acmilan.com/en/news/show/147531
 

radekas

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5TH CONSECUTIVE PODIUM FINISH

Key players may have left, but in the last five seasons, Milan have never slipped out of the top three spots in the Italian top flight.

MILAN – In the last five season, Milan have won one less title than Inter and Juventus, but nevertheless have shown more continuity. The Bianconeri finished seventh in 2009 and 2010 while the Nerazzurri finished 6th last season and 9th in this campaign. The Rossoneri on the other hand, have never been outside of the top three spots.

All of this despite Ricardo Kakà leaving in 2009 and the loss of 14 players last summer.

Here are the numbers:

2012-2013: Juventus 87 points - Napoli 78 - Milan 72
2011-2012: Juventus 84 points - Milan 80 - Udinese 64
2010-2011: Milan 82 points - Inter 76 - Napoli 70
2009-2010: Inter 82 points - Roma 80 - Milan 70
2008-2009: Inter 84 points - Juventus 74 - Milan 74 (Milan with a better goal difference but Juventus in front in the head-to-head clashes).

http://www.acmilan.com/en/news/show/147531
Wow this is so pathetic. How can any milan fan read this without a feeling of deep shame? I have honestly never seen something so sad in football before.
 

Goodfella

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Nov 11, 2012
4,518
5TH CONSECUTIVE PODIUM FINISH

Key players may have left, but in the last five seasons, Milan have never slipped out of the top three spots in the Italian top flight.

MILAN – In the last five season, Milan have won one less title than Inter and Juventus, but nevertheless have shown more continuity. The Bianconeri finished seventh in 2009 and 2010 while the Nerazzurri finished 6th last season and 9th in this campaign. The Rossoneri on the other hand, have never been outside of the top three spots.

All of this despite Ricardo Kakà leaving in 2009 and the loss of 14 players last summer.

Here are the numbers:

2012-2013: Juventus 87 points - Napoli 78 - Milan 72
2011-2012: Juventus 84 points - Milan 80 - Udinese 64
2010-2011: Milan 82 points - Inter 76 - Napoli 70
2009-2010: Inter 82 points - Roma 80 - Milan 70
2008-2009: Inter 84 points - Juventus 74 - Milan 74 (Milan with a better goal difference but Juventus in front in the head-to-head clashes).

http://www.acmilan.com/en/news/show/147531
 

Mark

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Dec 19, 2003
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5TH CONSECUTIVE PODIUM FINISH

Key players may have left, but in the last five seasons, Milan have never slipped out of the top three spots in the Italian top flight.

MILAN – In the last five season, Milan have won one less title than Inter and Juventus, but nevertheless have shown more continuity. The Bianconeri finished seventh in 2009 and 2010 while the Nerazzurri finished 6th last season and 9th in this campaign. The Rossoneri on the other hand, have never been outside of the top three spots.

All of this despite Ricardo Kakà leaving in 2009 and the loss of 14 players last summer.

Here are the numbers:

2012-2013: Juventus 87 points - Napoli 78 - Milan 72
2011-2012: Juventus 84 points - Milan 80 - Udinese 64
2010-2011: Milan 82 points - Inter 76 - Napoli 70
2009-2010: Inter 82 points - Roma 80 - Milan 70
2008-2009: Inter 84 points - Juventus 74 - Milan 74 (Milan with a better goal difference but Juventus in front in the head-to-head clashes).

http://www.acmilan.com/en/news/show/147531
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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:lol: So many disappointed Inter ticketholders...

Wow this is so pathetic. How can any milan fan read this without a feeling of deep shame? I have honestly never seen something so sad in football before.
Here in America they say that youth football is a complete joke because they hand out trophies for every ridiculous thing -- for something as pathetic as participating. AC Milan is embracing that ethos, and good for them. I hope they coddle themselves with bullcrap trophies so that they never find the need to aspire to anything more.
 
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