[ITA] Serie A 2010/2011 (54 Viewers)
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- Three Copa Libertadores
- Singlehandedly beating the Galacticos team in the international cup to win it.
- Taking a Villareal side out of anonymity.
- 2006 world cup where he made it click for the Argies.
- The first one is a fact, he won those games with a team.
- The second one is also a fact until you add the "singlehandedly" bit. Even though I'm not saying it is not true, to say that he won that game singlehandedly is still more of an opinion especially when coming from a fan point of view.
- The third one is arguable to say the least.
- And all he did in the world cup was making it click for the Argies where they ended up, errrrm, did they even pass the group-stages?
7 Scudetti, one CL, one Super Cup, one International Cup (singlehandedly?), one Coppa Italia, one supercoppa Italiana, one World Cup (where he actually scored in the semis against the very same team who had eliminated the Argies even though Riquelme had made it click for them).
One time Serie A top-scorer, two time CL top scorer, 4th highest ever goal scorer for the Italian NT, 44 goals scored in the CL, eight goals scored against Milan and Inter, 12 against Roma, five goals scored against Real Madrid (once when they were called the Galacticos, one of which in the semis and the other helping Juve pass the quarters), 2 goals scored against ManU, 4 goals scored against Monaco in the semis, one goal against Bayern, one against Chelsea, one in the CL final.
I don't like the term "choker" but to bring those stats to prove that Riquelme wasn't one (one would still wonder why no big team was ever interested in him after his disappointing time at Barca) and still labeling another player with that term disregarding the great games he has had while facing big teams (not including international level though where many other great players too fail to live up to the expectations playing for their National sides) just shows your obvious bias over the topic.
- Singlehandedly beating the Galacticos team in the international cup to win it.
- Taking a Villareal side out of anonymity.
- 2006 world cup where he made it click for the Argies.
- The first one is a fact, he won those games with a team.
- The second one is also a fact until you add the "singlehandedly" bit. Even though I'm not saying it is not true, to say that he won that game singlehandedly is still more of an opinion especially when coming from a fan point of view.
- The third one is arguable to say the least.
- And all he did in the world cup was making it click for the Argies where they ended up, errrrm, did they even pass the group-stages?
7 Scudetti, one CL, one Super Cup, one International Cup (singlehandedly?), one Coppa Italia, one supercoppa Italiana, one World Cup (where he actually scored in the semis against the very same team who had eliminated the Argies even though Riquelme had made it click for them).
One time Serie A top-scorer, two time CL top scorer, 4th highest ever goal scorer for the Italian NT, 44 goals scored in the CL, eight goals scored against Milan and Inter, 12 against Roma, five goals scored against Real Madrid (once when they were called the Galacticos, one of which in the semis and the other helping Juve pass the quarters), 2 goals scored against ManU, 4 goals scored against Monaco in the semis, one goal against Bayern, one against Chelsea, one in the CL final.
I don't like the term "choker" but to bring those stats to prove that Riquelme wasn't one (one would still wonder why no big team was ever interested in him after his disappointing time at Barca) and still labeling another player with that term disregarding the great games he has had while facing big teams (not including international level though where many other great players too fail to live up to the expectations playing for their National sides) just shows your obvious bias over the topic.
- Three Copa Libertadores
- Singlehandedly beating the Galacticos team in the international cup to win it.
- Taking a Villareal side out of anonymity.
- 2006 world cup where he made it click for the Argies.
- The first one is a fact, he won those games with a team.
- The second one is also a fact until you add the "singlehandedly" bit. Even though I'm not saying it is not true, to say that he won that game singlehandedly is still more of an opinion especially when coming from a fan point of view.
- The third one is arguable to say the least.
- And all he did in the world cup was making it click for the Argies where they ended up, errrrm, did they even pass the group-stages?
7 Scudetti, one CL, one Super Cup, one International Cup (singlehandedly?), one Coppa Italia, one supercoppa Italiana, one World Cup (where he actually scored in the semis against the very same team who had eliminated the Argies even though Riquelme had made it click for them).
One time Serie A top-scorer, two time CL top scorer, 4th highest ever goal scorer for the Italian NT, 44 goals scored in the CL, eight goals scored against Milan and Inter, 12 against Roma, five goals scored against Real Madrid (once when they were called the Galacticos, one of which in the semis and the other helping Juve pass the quarters), 2 goals scored against ManU, 4 goals scored against Monaco in the semis, one goal against Bayern, one against Chelsea, one in the CL final.
I don't like the term "choker" but to bring those stats to prove that Riquelme wasn't one (one would still wonder why no big team was ever interested in him after his disappointing time at Barca) and still labeling another player with that term disregarding the great games he has had while facing big teams (not including international level though where many other great players too fail to live up to the expectations playing for their National sides) just shows your obvious bias over the topic.
- Singlehandedly beating the Galacticos team in the international cup to win it.
- Taking a Villareal side out of anonymity.
- 2006 world cup where he made it click for the Argies.
- The first one is a fact, he won those games with a team.
- The second one is also a fact until you add the "singlehandedly" bit. Even though I'm not saying it is not true, to say that he won that game singlehandedly is still more of an opinion especially when coming from a fan point of view.
- The third one is arguable to say the least.
- And all he did in the world cup was making it click for the Argies where they ended up, errrrm, did they even pass the group-stages?
7 Scudetti, one CL, one Super Cup, one International Cup (singlehandedly?), one Coppa Italia, one supercoppa Italiana, one World Cup (where he actually scored in the semis against the very same team who had eliminated the Argies even though Riquelme had made it click for them).
One time Serie A top-scorer, two time CL top scorer, 4th highest ever goal scorer for the Italian NT, 44 goals scored in the CL, eight goals scored against Milan and Inter, 12 against Roma, five goals scored against Real Madrid (once when they were called the Galacticos, one of which in the semis and the other helping Juve pass the quarters), 2 goals scored against ManU, 4 goals scored against Monaco in the semis, one goal against Bayern, one against Chelsea, one in the CL final.
I don't like the term "choker" but to bring those stats to prove that Riquelme wasn't one (one would still wonder why no big team was ever interested in him after his disappointing time at Barca) and still labeling another player with that term disregarding the great games he has had while facing big teams (not including international level though where many other great players too fail to live up to the expectations playing for their National sides) just shows your obvious bias over the topic.
Actually, except for the 2003 CL final, he was never the go to guy. I might be wrong, but in the EURO 2000, WC 2006 and CL 97 he came in as a sub, he wasn't even a starter, even less the most important player in the team.
In 1996 there were other players who were supposed to be the leaders of the team and in 1998 Zidane was the main guy (and Del Piero just came back from injury. Or was that another season?).
In 1996 there were other players who were supposed to be the leaders of the team and in 1998 Zidane was the main guy (and Del Piero just came back from injury. Or was that another season?).
Why should you? Let's stick to 2006 where he made it click for the Argies 
I have no problem admitting that I wouldn't have gotten involved had you mentioned a better example of a "choker" to help Riquelme's case as I neither care about the player nor do I believe in the term "choker". I didn't even know about Riquelme's stats. You tried so much and summed them up in hmmm three wow three sentences, then Ale was mentioned while the same sentences (sure not as sorry as what you used for Riquelme) could be said about his career in 30 sentences.
All of them? So you don't consider a goal in the semis against Madrid that important? Or the one he scored again against Madrid in the quarters where we had lost the first round game and the goal helped us qualify for the semis? From all goals I mentioned you only excluded the one in the CL final and the one against Germany. The world will laugh at you if scoring four goals against Monaco in the semis of the most prestigious cup in Europe is not important in your book.
It's better now. You have to come down talking only about the finals but we will talk only when Riquelme gets to play in one before he hangs his boots :smile:
I have no problem admitting that I wouldn't have gotten involved had you mentioned a better example of a "choker" to help Riquelme's case as I neither care about the player nor do I believe in the term "choker". I didn't even know about Riquelme's stats. You tried so much and summed them up in hmmm three wow three sentences, then Ale was mentioned while the same sentences (sure not as sorry as what you used for Riquelme) could be said about his career in 30 sentences.
All of them? So you don't consider a goal in the semis against Madrid that important? Or the one he scored again against Madrid in the quarters where we had lost the first round game and the goal helped us qualify for the semis? From all goals I mentioned you only excluded the one in the CL final and the one against Germany. The world will laugh at you if scoring four goals against Monaco in the semis of the most prestigious cup in Europe is not important in your book.
It's better now. You have to come down talking only about the finals but we will talk only when Riquelme gets to play in one before he hangs his boots :smile:
Why should you? Let's stick to 2006 where he made it click for the Argies
I have no problem admitting that I wouldn't have gotten involved had you mentioned a better example of a "choker" to help Riquelme's case as I neither care about the player nor do I believe in the term "choker". I didn't even know about Riquelme's stats. You tried so much and summed them up in hmmm three wow three sentences, then Ale was mentioned while the same sentences (sure not as sorry as what you used for Riquelme) could be said about his career in 30 sentences.
All of them? So you don't consider a goal in the semis against Madrid that important? Or the one he scored again against Madrid in the quarters where we had lost the first round game and the goal helped us qualify for the semis? From all goals I mentioned you only excluded the one in the CL final and the one against Germany. The world will laugh at you if scoring four goals against Monaco in the semis of the most prestigious cup in Europe is not important in your book.
It's better now. You have to come down talking only about the finals but we will talk only Riquelme gets to play in one before he hangs his boots :smile:
I have no problem admitting that I wouldn't have gotten involved had you mentioned a better example of a "choker" to help Riquelme's case as I neither care about the player nor do I believe in the term "choker". I didn't even know about Riquelme's stats. You tried so much and summed them up in hmmm three wow three sentences, then Ale was mentioned while the same sentences (sure not as sorry as what you used for Riquelme) could be said about his career in 30 sentences.
All of them? So you don't consider a goal in the semis against Madrid that important? Or the one he scored again against Madrid in the quarters where we had lost the first round game and the goal helped us qualify for the semis? From all goals I mentioned you only excluded the one in the CL final and the one against Germany. The world will laugh at you if scoring four goals against Monaco in the semis of the most prestigious cup in Europe is not important in your book.
It's better now. You have to come down talking only about the finals but we will talk only Riquelme gets to play in one before he hangs his boots :smile:
ok lemme break it down to you, DP cannot be the man, he cant take the pressure for the team and get you a trophy and anytime he was put there he failed miserably. Riquelme on the other hand was the MAN even named MVP of the competition in the last Copa Lib he won. and to give you more significnace of what is say, argentina never lost a game where he scored, and a very high percentage when it comes to boca as well.
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