Couldn't this be said about the bible or koran too? Should we try to use science to prove or disprove events in the books as facts or could we try to know the meaning, the message behind the stories?
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I meant that there could be some factual errors in these "holy" books but that shouldn't prove that the books are wrong or dismissed.
And in my humble opinion if you don't care if they quoted the koran badly, why even ask these questions, it shows that you don't care about the answers provided, because you already have your own answers in the head, and there is absolutely nothing that would change them. So why do this?
And in my humble opinion if you don't care if they quoted the koran badly, why even ask these questions, it shows that you don't care about the answers provided, because you already have your own answers in the head, and there is absolutely nothing that would change them. So why do this?
Do you have some kind of issue with me right now or just bored?
- I didn't say anything about checking facts in holy books. I was talking about the possibility that Geert has factual errors in his article, pertaining to the Koran (which seems to be the case since everyone is saying it).
- "Factual errors in holy books don't make them invalid" (hope that paraphrasing is acceptable to you). That depends entirely on what these books purport to be. If we are supposed to use them as an encyclopedia to look up knowledge in, then if they are factually wrong it gravely undermines their credibility. Would you rely on an encyclopedia like this? If they are not meant to actually contain facts, and they are purely stories, then we should examine the content of these stories to see what they are trying to tell us, wouldn't you say? So what is the message of Noah's ark then?
- I don't care if he misquoted the Koran, because I don't even care enough about what's in it to read it myself. What I'm interested in is how religion impacts individuals and groups. So no, it's not true that I don't care about the answers.
- And neither is it true that nothing could change my mind. I'm not a fundamentalist, I haven't taken a vow to never change my mind. I'm open to it and it happens all the time.
I too think he's the worst, that doesn't mean he's the biggest tyrant though.
Selling yourself short to Israel and closing the borders on Palestinians, no current Arab president has done anything as terrible as that. But the writer i think was talking strictly about dictatorship.
Its not a surprise at all that these things happen in Saudi Arabia. A lot worse things happen and are endorsed by the so called "committee for the promotion of virtue and prevention of sin" which is a sham altogether.
If you're interested, look up Wahabism, the majority of the muslim population do not subscribe to the Wahhabi's extremist thoughts though, so i'd say that in no way is it representative of Islam.
I'm interested in the broad strokes of it. I'm not interested in the details "eat meat on Fridays instead of Saturdays" because that's arbitrary. For example what Wilders wrote about Islam being different from Christianity and Judaism in that god is far removed from humans, he's not a father, he's a creature to fear. I don't know if that's true, but that kinda stuff is highly relevant.
Strangely enough when I raise a topic dealing with a broad view I can rarely get a good conversation going, because people have already had their bites "digested" for them and they're not interested in an open examination of what the faith is.
Strangely enough when I raise a topic dealing with a broad view I can rarely get a good conversation going, because people have already had their bites "digested" for them and they're not interested in an open examination of what the faith is.
Martin basically wants us to make a movie of the book he refuses to read. Kinda like how most get around the summer reading assignment in middle school 
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