Why shouldn't he start? I'd prefer him over Pereyra (as much as I like him) to play treq. Much more excited about this signing than Cuadrado.
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Has to be an AM for us doesn't he? If we're not using home there I just don't see the need for his purchase as we now would have 9 players for CM. Pogba, Marchisio, Sturaro, Pereyra, Lemina, Hernanes, Khedira, Asamoah, Padoin. Even Cuadrado can play RCM.
I have to think signing two more mids on deadline day means we're going to be playing with a 4 man midfield, with Hernanes, Cuadrado, Pereyra as our AM options...
I have to think signing two more mids on deadline day means we're going to be playing with a 4 man midfield, with Hernanes, Cuadrado, Pereyra as our AM options...
I watch Inter every week as my house-mate is a Inter fan. The answer to that question is dependent on who the other midfielders are. Hernanes can defend, but he is lazy. When Inter has tried to play a midfield of Hernanes and Kovacic with Medel they've been a bloody mess, likewise him and Guarin. Because they don't work hard enough in tracking back. However, with Marchisio and Pogba he should be fine as a CM. However, realise that he isn't a particularly good decision maker, and his passing is surprisingly sloppy for a guy with so much technical skill. When he has a bit of time on the ball he is capable of delivering fantastic passes and crosses. However, don't expect to see that regularly. Rather he will be most invisible and with the occasional moment of brilliance
As a treq/AM he isn't particularly good at finding space, as he isn't particularly good without the ball. He would rather run with the ball, or shoot than pass. I don't believe this is a great attribute for a AM. Given that Icardi tends to just sit on the shoulder of the last defender Hernanes tendency to be very individualistic tended not to bear fruit as there was no one opening up space, hopefully that will be different here.
However, Dybala and Morata are far more dynamic and unpredictable and this hopefully will lead him to be more effective in that position here. Just be prepared for him to ignore his strikers on a regular basis. This infuriated Icardi at Inter.
So the answer to your question is that he can play either, but he has strengths and weaknesses at both positions. The question is whether being surrounded by better players will make him look better than he did at Inter. Because if he performs like he did there people will hate him here. He statistically was quite impressive at Inter, but generally he would be terrible for the majority of the 90 minutes, and then produce moments of magic.
One last thing. A lot of people seem to be under the illusion that he is a creative player. He really isn't. He is a very direct player with a lot of technical ability, but he's no Pirlo.
edit - I see that you actually asked what position he played. A bit of both. Mancini even tried him as an inverted winger a few times (with terrible results). He played more as an AM though
As a treq/AM he isn't particularly good at finding space, as he isn't particularly good without the ball. He would rather run with the ball, or shoot than pass. I don't believe this is a great attribute for a AM. Given that Icardi tends to just sit on the shoulder of the last defender Hernanes tendency to be very individualistic tended not to bear fruit as there was no one opening up space, hopefully that will be different here.
However, Dybala and Morata are far more dynamic and unpredictable and this hopefully will lead him to be more effective in that position here. Just be prepared for him to ignore his strikers on a regular basis. This infuriated Icardi at Inter.
So the answer to your question is that he can play either, but he has strengths and weaknesses at both positions. The question is whether being surrounded by better players will make him look better than he did at Inter. Because if he performs like he did there people will hate him here. He statistically was quite impressive at Inter, but generally he would be terrible for the majority of the 90 minutes, and then produce moments of magic.
One last thing. A lot of people seem to be under the illusion that he is a creative player. He really isn't. He is a very direct player with a lot of technical ability, but he's no Pirlo.
edit - I see that you actually asked what position he played. A bit of both. Mancini even tried him as an inverted winger a few times (with terrible results). He played more as an AM though
He has always played as a CM as far as I remember so thats why I am asking. Why would we get an okay CM and play him out of position as an AM? Seems counter intuitive to me if thats gonna be his main role. I think he could fill in as AM but won't primarily be one.
It seems to me he is here to be vice-marchisio as these two are the only ones that can distribute the ball deep in the midfield. Staruro, Asamoah, Khedira, and padoin are all ball winners to me with Khedira being slightly more gifted as a goal threat than the rest.
I see hernanes and Marchisio as Deep Lying playmakers in the Pirlo role, Pogba and Khedira as box to box (attack and defense), Staruro, Asamoah and the new guy as ball winners. Padoin is just padoin.
Pereyra and Caudrado are our AMs and possibly Pogba and Hernanes if the first two are too shitty and if everyone is fit.
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I'd say assuming full fitness our midfield will be Pogba, Marchiso and Khedira with Cuadrado or pereyra upfront. Hernanes can substitute for any of them but we primarily bought him to replace marchisio as no one else can do the same job while we had subs for everyone but marchiso
It seems to me he is here to be vice-marchisio as these two are the only ones that can distribute the ball deep in the midfield. Staruro, Asamoah, Khedira, and padoin are all ball winners to me with Khedira being slightly more gifted as a goal threat than the rest.
I see hernanes and Marchisio as Deep Lying playmakers in the Pirlo role, Pogba and Khedira as box to box (attack and defense), Staruro, Asamoah and the new guy as ball winners. Padoin is just padoin.
Pereyra and Caudrado are our AMs and possibly Pogba and Hernanes if the first two are too shitty and if everyone is fit.
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I'd say assuming full fitness our midfield will be Pogba, Marchiso and Khedira with Cuadrado or pereyra upfront. Hernanes can substitute for any of them but we primarily bought him to replace marchisio as no one else can do the same job while we had subs for everyone but marchiso
I'm not sure. I always thought he played as an AM for Lazio. I don't know how accurate the TransferMarkt match reports are, but in his best seasons 11/12 and 12/13 for Lazio, he played mostly as an AM. Scored 25 goals and had 13 assists over that period playing mostly AM.
It also seems he finished last season for Inter as exclusively an AM for the last 9-10 matches.
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Ask @CrimsonianKing, but I think he played as a CDM, a regista of sorts way back with Sao Paulo. He made the Brasileirao team of the year from that position in 07 or 08? I think I read an article a few years back about how he was being misused by Menezes in the selecao as a Right side mid, and he should be used as a Regista for the national team to get the most out of him.
Regardless though, as a wonderfully two footed mid, he should be played in the centre either as a regista or a trequartista. And it seems he's quite capable in both those roles.
It also seems he finished last season for Inter as exclusively an AM for the last 9-10 matches.
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Ask @CrimsonianKing, but I think he played as a CDM, a regista of sorts way back with Sao Paulo. He made the Brasileirao team of the year from that position in 07 or 08? I think I read an article a few years back about how he was being misused by Menezes in the selecao as a Right side mid, and he should be used as a Regista for the national team to get the most out of him.
Regardless though, as a wonderfully two footed mid, he should be played in the centre either as a regista or a trequartista. And it seems he's quite capable in both those roles.
Quote from an inter fan:
"People keep saying that we're losing all of our midfield creativity with Hernanes gone, but that's a load of BS. What exactly has Hernanes done while at Inter to retain the role of a "creative" midfielder? Sure, his FKs are great. Other than that, his "creativity" consists of overdribbling, rather average passing, and an inability to successfully link our midfield to the attack"
Promising :jvefan:
"People keep saying that we're losing all of our midfield creativity with Hernanes gone, but that's a load of BS. What exactly has Hernanes done while at Inter to retain the role of a "creative" midfielder? Sure, his FKs are great. Other than that, his "creativity" consists of overdribbling, rather average passing, and an inability to successfully link our midfield to the attack"
Promising :jvefan:
Well now that I've had a good 12 hours or so to digest this news, here's what I think...
More pros than cons now that I think of it when it comes to this signing IMO. He's a solid, experienced player, knows the league very well, can slot into the AM role (as well as playing as CM or regista if need be) he has great set piece taking skills, good long range shoots, nice dribbler. This also allows Allegri to play his favoured 4-3-(then we'll see) formation and we can dump that piece of shite 3-5-2 in the bin where it belongs.
It's not the star AM we all wanted (and Beppe better fix that next season seriously) but for €11m, he's a pretty good stopgap and will add some needed experience for us, given we've drastically reduced the age of the squad. And if it pisses off Mancini and the Inter fans that we signed him even better
Welcome Profeta.
More pros than cons now that I think of it when it comes to this signing IMO. He's a solid, experienced player, knows the league very well, can slot into the AM role (as well as playing as CM or regista if need be) he has great set piece taking skills, good long range shoots, nice dribbler. This also allows Allegri to play his favoured 4-3-(then we'll see) formation and we can dump that piece of shite 3-5-2 in the bin where it belongs.
It's not the star AM we all wanted (and Beppe better fix that next season seriously) but for €11m, he's a pretty good stopgap and will add some needed experience for us, given we've drastically reduced the age of the squad. And if it pisses off Mancini and the Inter fans that we signed him even better
Welcome Profeta.
