Giuseppe Marotta (115 Viewers)

[Buck Fuddy]

That's not a valid point at all, because it's only scratching the surface of why it went that way. Valid points are based on facts that reflect things as they were, not as they would appear without further research.

Yes, it's a fact that Marotta's Juve hasn't reached CL yet, but at the same time it's also a fact that a lot of that has to do with the damage Secco has done. So what's the point in praising Secco?

Where or how did I praise Secco?

No need to teach me about what is or isn't a valid point: the only valid point in this entire discussion is the achieved results. Secco achieved them 3 seasons out of 4, Marotta is 0 for 1.

How's this for scratching the surface: Secco could have sold, for example, Trez, Camo & Chiellini. We could have played in Serie B for quite a lot longer, we could still be playing there today. Marotta could have done better had Secco left a more balanced squad. Secco just might have had a more difficult job considering what had happened. Marotta just might have a more difficult job considering the current state of affairs, ...

Nothing but could haves & maybes.


I base my opinion on facts/results. If people have problems seeing that up till now Secco's are better than Marotta's, then so be it. There are probably a million different reasons/variables anyway.

 

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[Jem83]

@ Nenna: We'll get around 10 million for Melo including what they have already payed for the loan. The buy-out clause is 13 million, I think? Gala will probably say it's a little too much, next summer, and Beppe will accept a deal that will take the deal to the overall mark of 10 million euros. You heard it here first.

In my opinion, if we can get anything beyond 5 million for Melo, than that should be considered a success. I don't rate him at all.

 

[Jem83]

Where or how did I praise Secco?

No need to teach me about what is or isn't a valid point: the only valid point in this entire discussion is the achieved results. Secco achieved them 3 seasons out of 4, Marotta is 0 for 1.

How's this for scratching the surface: Secco could have sold, for example, Trez, Camo & Chiellini. We could have played in Serie B for quite a lot longer, we could still be playing there today. Marotta could have done better had Secco left a more balanced squad. Secco just might have had a more difficult job considering what had happened. Marotta just might have a more difficult job considering the current state of affairs, ...

Nothing but could haves & maybes.


I base my opinion on facts/results. If people have problems seeing that up till now Secco's are better than Marotta's, then so be it. There are probably a million different reasons/variables anyway.

I might have called him stupid, poor, a failure etc. but I didn't say he was mentally retarded. An 8 year old would've understood to keep those players.

 

[Jem83]

And as for your facts, Buck Fuddy, saying that Secco "achieved" results is giving him way too much praise. He inherited a wonderful squad. All he ever did afterwards was fuck it up. If you disagree with that, fine. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[.zero]

That's not a valid point at all, because it's only scratching the surface of why it went that way. Valid points are based on facts that reflect things as they were, not as they would appear without further research.

Yes, it's a fact that Marotta's Juve hasn't reached CL yet, but at the same time it's also a fact that a lot of that has to do with the damage Secco has done. So what's the point in praising Secco?

Buck wasn’t praising Secco

 

[JuveJay]

 

[GordoDeCentral]

buck is making too much sense, ban him!

 

[Jem83]

Buck wasn’t praising Secco

He gave him credit for reaching CL. "Secco achieved them [the results] 3 seasons out of 4".

 

[GordoDeCentral]

He gave him credit for reaching CL. "Secco achieved them [the results] 3 seasons out of 4".

due credit, since it is a fact

 

[Jem83]

due credit, since it is a fact

It's a fact if you don't go below the surface and take into consideration the real facts behind Secco's so called success. He inherited half of Moggi's Juve, while these players were still awesome.

Look, if I were to become Barcelona's GM tonight, I would "achieve" getting into the CL and perhaps even I'd pick up a trophy along the way, just by sitting playing Nintendo. Would you still give me credit?

 

[.zero]

He gave him credit for reaching CL. "Secco achieved them [the results] 3 seasons out of 4".

It was his squads that did that. What people forget is that Secco tried to build squads to win fast because everyone had expectations for this club to pick up where it left off before relegation. You can't fault him for doing what was expected.

Marotta on the other hand is taking his sweet time in getting us back near the top. He's had 1 failed season and I doubt a 2nd season outside the top 4 and Europe will be enough for clowns around here to realize that he may not be the answer. On top of it all, the man unecessarily spews garbage from his mouth which attracts more criticism. And there is nobody to blame for that but himself.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It's a fact if you don't go below the surface and take into consideration the real facts behind Secco's so called success. He inherited half of Moggi's Juve, while these players were still awesome.

Look, if I were to become Barcelona's GM tonight, I would "achieve" getting into the CL and perhaps even I'd pick up a trophy along the way, just by sitting playing Nintendo. Would you still give me credit?

buck explained the emboldened part, and yes if that were to happen you would put on your resume reached CL with team

 

[Jem83]

It was his squads that did that. What people forget is that Secco tried to build squads to win fast because everyone had expectations for this club to pick up where it left off before relegation. You can't fault him for doing what was expected.

Marotta on the other hand is taking his sweet time in getting us back near the top. He's had 1 failed season and I doubt a 2nd season outside the top 4 and Europe will be enough for clowns around here to realize that he may not be the answer. On top of it all, the man unecessarily spews garbage from his mouth which attracts more criticism. And there is nobody to blame for that but himself.

Secco inherited one of the best teams in the world. Marotta inherited a team that Secco managed to fuck up, a team that wasn't even qualified for CL when Marotta arrived.

Marotta has had WAY worse odds than Secco had, for success. And still done a better job.

 

[Jem83]

buck explained the emboldened part, and yes if that were to happen you would put on your resume reached CL with team

And resumes and other formalities always reflect things as they truly were, yeah?

No.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Secco inherited one of the best teams in the world. Marotta inherited a team that Secco managed to fuck up, a team that wasn't even qualified for CL when Marotta arrived.

Marotta has had WAY worse odds than Secco had, for success. And still done a better job.

how?

And resumes and other formalities always reflect things as they truly were, yeah?

No.

once again with words and expressions which mean absolutely nothing, whats 'truly were", what truly was is we made CL 3 out 4 years with secco. Marotta is blanking so far. This is the only truly was we can talk about here, all the rest is up to interpretation and as so cant be considered fact.

 

[Jem83]

Even though we reached CL during his tenure, didn't you guys see what I saw during those years? Didn't you feel that... although we were a good team, we had no real sense of identity anymore? Even when we beat Real Madrid in the CL, a night of pure joy, I felt somewhat "inferior" to every big club in the world, because I knew that my team wasn't on any particular path. We had some great legends in the team, and a GM who constantly made bad choices. I bet that if you think back to those days, you will agree that it was a complete mess.

Secco did not understand football, AT ALL. How's that for a fact?

History will show that the Tiago, Andrade, Almiron, Melo, Amauri and Diego-transfers will go down as some of the worst transfers in Juventus' history. Not only because of the fact that they were all either poor or average players, but also because of the transfer fees and the wages they were given.

Secco spent over 100 million euros on pure crap. Imagine where we could've been if those 100 million were spent on the players we really needed.

I'm not here to piss people off, I'm just gonna lash out at any form of praise, credit, positive recognition (call it what you like) that anyone throws Secco's way.

As for Marotta... like I said, he's not perfect, and some things that he's done is definitely worthy of critique. But he's much, much better than Secco.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Even though we reached CL during his tenure, didn't you guys see what I saw during those years? Didn't you feel that... although we were a good team, we had no real sense of identity anymore? Even when we beat Real Madrid in the CL, a night of pure joy, I felt somewhat "inferior" to every big club in the world, because I knew that my team wasn't on any particular path. We had some great legends in the team, and a GM who constantly made bad choices. I bet that if you think back to those days, you will agree that it was a complete mess.

Secco did not understand football, AT ALL. How's that for a fact?

History will show that the Tiago, Andrade, Almiron, Melo, Amauri and Diego-transfers will go down as some of the worst transfers in Juventus' history. Not only because of the fact that they were all either poor or average players, but also because of the transfer fees and the wages they were given.

Secco spent over 100 million euros on pure crap. Imagine where we could've been if those 100 million were spent on the players we really needed.

I'm not here to piss people off, I'm just gonna lash out at any form of praise, credit, positive recognition (call it what you like) that anyone throws Secco's way.

As for Marotta... like I said, he's not perfect, and some things that he's done is definitely worthy of critique. But he's much, much better than Secco.

this is pointless since you obviously dont know the meaning of the word 'fact'

 

[Nicholas]

I think we can safely say we've not been blessed with good GM's since Calciopoli.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

as much as i doubt his abilities, jury is still out on marotta, but it;s really not looking good for him

 

[JuveJay]

as much as i doubt his abilities, jury is still out on marotta, but it;s really not looking good for him

Was that an eye joke? :frown: