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Yeah my friend studied and had a mining business there, listen I'm not going to debate anecdotal evidence with someone from libya about what it's like to live there, but i also invite you to consider looking at it from an outsiders perspective especially vis a vis the countries you mentioned, think you might find surprising results.
Stumbled upon his Turkmenistan vid and liked his style.
Stumbled upon his Turkmenistan vid and liked his style.
That's fair enough. But then lets look at objective measures? On most measures of quality of life, health outcomes, education, standard of living etc we were in the bottom half of countries in the Middle East. I would ask your friend also how its like to conduct business over there? because you cannot do that without strong relations with the state or some kind of kickbacks. We were one of the most socialist states in the world, 90% plus of jobs in Libya used to be for the state, over 50% of our GDP was from oil export revenues. We were the Arab Muslim version of Cuba and Venezuela. If 2011 hadn't happened, can you imagine what would have happened when oil prices fell in 2015, a collapse similar to Venezuela. Don't take my word for it, look at the numbers.
Its practically undebatable that we were an extremely poorly run country. Gedaffi had 42 years, surely he has to take a lot of blame regardless of how much foreign entities interfered or didnt.
Again, i am not denying at all Qatar/Turkey led factions in the West, and UAE, Saudi, Egypt, France and Russia supported Haftar in the East. They have all played a big part in how dysfunctional the situation is. But I am more interested in what Libyans do. Gedaffi's regime was terrible, and the current two factions with all their warlords have taken it two steps further and destroyed the country for generations. Neither is/was good for Libya.
Its practically undebatable that we were an extremely poorly run country. Gedaffi had 42 years, surely he has to take a lot of blame regardless of how much foreign entities interfered or didnt.
Again, i am not denying at all Qatar/Turkey led factions in the West, and UAE, Saudi, Egypt, France and Russia supported Haftar in the East. They have all played a big part in how dysfunctional the situation is. But I am more interested in what Libyans do. Gedaffi's regime was terrible, and the current two factions with all their warlords have taken it two steps further and destroyed the country for generations. Neither is/was good for Libya.
I feel like I am watching the first half of season 5 of Casa del Papel. Every 5-10 minutes there's a panicked scene of military trucks racing towards the Bank of Spain, but somehow they never arrive there. Because another 5 minutes later the same exact scene repeats all over again just to add to forced hype and anxiety.
Haha!
That's one of the biggest myths!
Basic food was heavily subsidized, so you get basic food for very cheap prices. Petrol was subsidized too, one of the cheapest countries in the world for petrol. Education and healthcare are both fully state run and subsidized so i guess for citizens it was free. But it was so terrible, that if you had any kind of serious condition, people would go over the border to Tunisia because they didnt trust "free" Libyan hospitals. I won't even begin to talk about education.
Btw, the same policies exist in North Korea, Cuba, Saddam's Iraq, and Venezuela. All have/had state run and subsidized education, health care and basic necessities. Absolutlely amazing bunch of countries those are.
That's one of the biggest myths!
Basic food was heavily subsidized, so you get basic food for very cheap prices. Petrol was subsidized too, one of the cheapest countries in the world for petrol. Education and healthcare are both fully state run and subsidized so i guess for citizens it was free. But it was so terrible, that if you had any kind of serious condition, people would go over the border to Tunisia because they didnt trust "free" Libyan hospitals. I won't even begin to talk about education.
Btw, the same policies exist in North Korea, Cuba, Saddam's Iraq, and Venezuela. All have/had state run and subsidized education, health care and basic necessities. Absolutlely amazing bunch of countries those are.