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Aug 26, 2014
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Bro how can you say that they should roll down and surrender when there is no one attacking them.
Are you leaving in a paralel dimension or something.
Russia is the AGRESSOR here.

It's like Greece deciding in case of your country that you are not allowed to join the EU, because they don't want you to be free of their control.
Dude if there were 4 neighbors surrounding you with pointed weapons at you how would you feel. And as for our situation it's completely different. We are not allowed because we are not ready to join simple as that. Greece and now Bulgaria is just the excuse.

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Surrender to what? Who is attacking/invading Russia?
Who said attack or invade? Heard of the cold war??
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Yep, both sides are with blood on their hands. No point in taking any side but I agree that it looks like the side that wants the war the most are the US and their closest allies.
Are you for real? We have a fucking war going on here for 8 years. Even me, the least suited for anything military guy, did the tour. USA is the only major power that is trying to save our lives here and prevent this shit. Are you from EU?
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Dude if there were 4 neighbors surrounding you with pointed weapons at you how would you feel. And as for our situation it's completely different. We are not allowed because we are not ready to join simple as that. Greece and now Bulgaria is just the excuse.

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Who said attack or invade? Heard of the cold war??
If not for those pointed guns the Baltic states, Finland, Poland and God knows who else would have the same problems as Ukraine, Georgia, and Belarus - actual victims of invasion/occupation.

If Russia doesn't like that some of its neighbors are off limits for them, it's their mental problem.
 

kao_ray

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Feb 28, 2014
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Are you for real? We have a fucking war going on here for 8 years. Even me, the least suited for anything military guy, did the tour. USA is the only major power that is trying to save our lives here and prevent this shit. Are you from EU?
Russia is in the wrong to meddle in your country and US is only using you to provoke a war that you will pay with blood but at least you will buy some US weapons.

I'm shocked that you can't see that US wants war. US wants a conflict with many casualties so that they can point fingers at Russia and sell even more weapons. US are using you to play stupid games with Russia.

Both Russia and US are major bullies. And I really, really hope that there will be no war and a long peace can be reached.
 
Aug 26, 2014
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If not for those pointed guns the Baltic states, Finland, Poland and God knows who else would have the same problems as Ukraine, Georgia, and Belarus - actual victims of invasion/occupation.

If Russia doesn't like that some of its neighbors are off limits for them, it's their mental problem.
How can you be so sure of that?? It's automatic to assume that just Russia are aggressors and not that the US are doing the same fucking thing for decades.
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
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How can you be so sure of that?? It's automatic to assume that just Russia are aggressors and not that the US are doing the same fucking thing for decades.
Are you serious? I just counted 3 countries that have been occupied already.
I shall include my own too, we have Russian "peacekeepers" in Karabakh now, doubt it will be easy to get rid of them anytime soon.

PS oh and I completely forgot about Moldova.
 

Kopanja

Senior Member
Jul 30, 2015
5,596
Russia is in the wrong to meddle in your country and US is only using you to provoke a war that you will pay with blood but at least you will buy some US weapons.

I'm shocked that you can't see that US wants war. US wants a conflict with many casualties so that they can point fingers at Russia and sell even more weapons. US are using you to play stupid games with Russia.

Both Russia and US are major bullies. And I really, really hope that there will be no war and a long peace can be reached.
Jesus on a bike. Where are you from?
 
Aug 26, 2014
2,495
Are you serious? I just counted 3 countries that have been occupied already.
I shall include my own too, we have Russian "peacekeepers" in Karabakh now, doubt it will be easy to get rid of them anytime soon.

PS oh and I completely forgot about Moldova.
I get you man, not saying Russia are not doing terrible shit. And America have occupied Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran (under the pretense of weapons of mass weapons for decades just to get that oil) and many other countries or they don't count?? But that is the democratic way isn't it the people there wanted to get occupied.
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
36,923
I get you man, not saying Russia are not doing terrible shit. And America have occupied Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran (under the pretense of weapons of mass weapons for decades just to get that oil) and many other countries or they don't count?? But that is the democratic way isn't it the people there wanted to get occupied.
If you wanna compare pros and cons of both US and Russia, I'm all for it and you will lose :D
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
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Dude if there were 4 neighbors surrounding you with pointed weapons at you how would you feel. And as for our situation it's completely different. We are not allowed because we are not ready to join simple as that. Greece and now Bulgaria is just the excuse.

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Who said attack or invade? Heard of the cold war??
If there were 4 neighbour's surrounding you but you had nuclear warheads to destroy them all.
Start your question from here.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,475
Stop listening to Russian propaganda bro.
Russia doesn't have any right to meddle in Ukraine teritorial and political affairs.

You yoursel acknowledge this "Russia is in the wrong to meddle in your country", yet you go on some weird tangent against the US.
 
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kao_ray

Senior Member
Feb 28, 2014
6,568
Stop listening to Russian propaganda bro.
Russia doesn't have any right to meddle in Ukraine teritorial and political affairs.
I agree with that. I'm all pro economic sanctions against Russia. But the Western media is jizzing itself from the idea of war. War should be averted at all costs. Nobody is going to save Ukraine from Russia. Nobody is going to risk a nuclear war for Ukraine.

I have a Syrian friend who 10 years ago wanted the US to meddle in the Syrian civil war. He feels like a complete fool today.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,475
But the Western media is jizzing itself from the idea of war. War should be averted at all costs.

But from whatever reasons Russia doesn't seem to want to avert it at all costs.
I mean last I checked it wasn't the US amassing troops and military equipment next to Ukraines borders.
 

kao_ray

Senior Member
Feb 28, 2014
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But from whatever reasons Russia doesn't seem to want to avert it at all costs.
I mean last I checked it wasn't the US amassing troops and military equipment next to Ukraines borders.
Where did I say that Russia is not an authoritarian state that bullies other nations? I only pointed out that US is also a bully and also has blood on their hands.

The best solution is economic sanctions but obviously the countries in EU care more about cheaper fossil fuels than opposing authoritarian bullies.
 

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