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Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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This. Same with Iraq and Lebanon. Tribalism destroys any sense of national identity in no time. There’s really nothing that glues these tribes together.
Yeah, the Pan-Arabic movement tried to solve this, succeeded to some extant for a few decades but ultimately failed

Now it's a Pan-Islamist movement turn, but it will fail just the same.

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Jun 16, 2020
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By the way that $2T was not really spent on Afghanistan
I read the other day that there basically hasn’t been any economic growth in Afghanistan in the past 10 years. I said it in a previous post; in order to make people not joining the Taliban or other armed forces, you have to have/create a economy at a acceptable level. I think that the focus was merely creating soldiers/police officers assuming that security will improve.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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I read the other day that there basically hasn’t been any economic growth in Afghanistan in the past 10 years. I said it in a previous post; in order to make people not joining the Taliban or other armed forces, you have to have/create a economy at a acceptable level. I think that the focus was merely creating soldiers/police officers assuming that security will improve.
Yeah that basically describes South Africa with more sand
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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I read the other day that there basically hasn’t been any economic growth in Afghanistan in the past 10 years. I said it in a previous post; in order to make people not joining the Taliban or other armed forces, you have to have/create a economy at a acceptable level. I think that the focus was merely creating soldiers/police officers assuming that security will improve.
You can’t do that without completely colonizing the country, which is not really the flavor of the day and US obviously wanted to avoid. The real shock here is how little is done with all this money spent.
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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I read the other day that there basically hasn’t been any economic growth in Afghanistan in the past 10 years. I said it in a previous post; in order to make people not joining the Taliban or other armed forces, you have to have/create a economy at a acceptable level. I think that the focus was merely creating soldiers/police officers assuming that security will improve.
There is no trickle down economics in countries like this. Poor people will stay poor no matter how much the economy grows.
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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Congratulations with Afghanistan!

By 2050 48% of Germany's population will be immigrants :tuttosport:
:boh: I don't know where you got these numbers from but imagine taking pride in being the dogshit that somebody stepped in

Here's what actually gonna happen tho: by 2050 you will be nothing but a red mush on some morbidly obese pringles munching murican drone pilot's screen :lol:
 
Jun 16, 2020
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I can. Afghanistan was a 20-year bubble. We're finally seeing what happens when you rip the Band-Aid off holding everything together and letting the natural equilibrium fill the void.

Will it cause a lot of harm and horror? Absolutely, unfortun'ately. But there were already almost daily explosions in public markets as it was. Has everyone forgotten how hellish daily life had become there? Something had to give.

But this is what happens when bubbles burst and you can't keep up the façade any longer.



:lol: Like who and what army??

The seated government was a joke and a sham.



I'm not sure I would go so far as saying religion is required as A did, but I think you're imposing your local values upon people you have little connection to and have next to no contextual knowledge about.



I know Vaclav Havel was a commie in many circles, but he was probably my favorite politician of the 20th century. He had this great take on exporting democracy:



And America says they want American democracy in the whole world. Same circus, different clowns.



TBH, it probably should have happened under Trump.
In the West we tend to forget that we went trough the French Revolution, the industrial revolution and two World Wars before arriving at this point. And besides that Western-Europe benefited greatly of the Marshall Plan, yet indeed we somehow believe that democracy is some finished product and it’s exportable like cars.

Besides that the free market system/capitalistic way of thinking boosted our economies, making many things and especially schooling affordable. The differences between a closed market, or non existent market are easy to be seen if you compare that West to some Eastern-(Europe) country’s, China before their growth and some country’s in Africa. All of us benefited from laws that obligated children going to school as wel.
 

Goodfella

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Nov 11, 2012
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I don't know where you got these numbers from but imagine taking pride in being the dogshit that somebody stepped in

Here's what actually gonna happen: by 2050 you will be nothing but a red mush on some morbidly obese pringles munching murican drone pilot's screen :lol:
:lol:

American drone :lol:

Keep living in your denial and denying a clear fact while immigrants will replace you. Drone pff
 
Jun 16, 2020
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:lol:

Nice wishful thinking. Muslims are becoming more aware of their religion and more inclined to Sharia with every passing day. Free insider information for you, on the house.

The Salafi movement is growing even among Aziks, in one of the most secular countries in the world.
What are Aziks? Googled but can’t find. Serious question
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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here’s one of them falling off the plane

NSFL

Kind of wild that what started with planes and bodies falling from the WTC onto the buildings below kinda ends with the same in Kabul.

In the West we tend to forget that we went trough the French Revolution, the industrial revolution and two World Wars before arriving at this point. And besides that Western-Europe benefited greatly of the Marshall Plan, yet indeed we somehow believe that democracy is some finished product and it’s exportable like cars.
Speaking to my own Havel. :heart:
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Yeah, the Pan-Arabic movement tried to solve this, succeeded to some extant for a few decades but ultimately failed

Now it's a Pan-Islamist movement turn, but it will fail just the same.

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Guess who the leaders of Pan-Arabism where. Or rather the founders.

They mostly come from minorities within Arabs. My point being it originated with Arabs that were not beneficiaries of the tribal system. While those ideas did to an extent capture the imagination of Arab youth in the 70s and 80s, i think soon after that leaders of the Baathist governments in different countries started adopting more of a nationalist stance.

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:lol:

Nice wishful thinking. Muslims are becoming more aware of their religion and more inclined to Sharia with every passing day. Free insider information for you, on the house.

The Salafi movement is growing even among Aziks, in one of the most secular countries in the world.
One of the worst things to happen to Islam in modern history.
 

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