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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Still can't believe this is actually happening.
I can. Afghanistan was a 20-year bubble. We're finally seeing what happens when you rip the Band-Aid off holding everything together and letting the natural equilibrium fill the void.

Will it cause a lot of harm and horror? Absolutely, unfortun'ately. But there were already almost daily explosions in public markets as it was. Has everyone forgotten how hellish daily life had become there? Something had to give.

But this is what happens when bubbles burst and you can't keep up the façade any longer.

:lol: Like who and what army??

The seated government was a joke and a sham.

Hope you're right.
I'm not sure I would go so far as saying religion is required as A did, but I think you're imposing your local values upon people you have little connection to and have next to no contextual knowledge about.

What I say now is very controversial but I never really hated/disliked the Taliban.

Sure they're no saints and wants a strict form of Islam. But they're not ISIS who seeks out to kill anyone and everything.

Taliban wants Sharia in Afghanistan, then let them have it. It's not like they want to enforce it upon other countries, the West should never have interfered, same with the Russians.

Not all countries understand democracy or wants it. When will we learn that?
I know Vaclav Havel was a commie in many circles, but he was probably my favorite politician of the 20th century. He had this great take on exporting democracy:
As a consequence, democracy is seen less and less as an open system that is best able to respond to people’s basic needs; as a set of possibilities that must be continually rediscovered, redefined, and brought into being. Instead democracy is seen as something given, finished, and complete as is, something that can be exported like cars or television sets, something that the more enlightened purchase and the less enlightened do not.
In other words, it seems to me that the mistake lies not only with the backward consumers of exported democratic values, but in the very form or understanding of those values at present, and in the climate of the civilization with which they are directly connected, or seem to be connected in the eyes of a large part of the world. And that means of course that the mistake also lies in the way those values are exported, which often betrays an attitude of superiority and contempt for all those who hesitate to accept the offered goods automatically.​

They literally said they want Sharia in the whole world.
And America says they want American democracy in the whole world. Same circus, different clowns.

It wouldn’t have happened like this under trump. Biden is the most confuse American President in history.
TBH, it probably should have happened under Trump.
 

Siamak

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Aug 13, 2013
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Sometimes you gotta bite the bullet. This should have happened over a decade ago.
"The history books on the shelf, is always repeating itself"

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check the doha agreement and its terms mate
Biden did not execute Trump plan which was an orginized withdraw, not this undicontional surrender
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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This outcome was 100% certain, merely a matter of time.

The west fails to understand, or refuse to, that this type of countries will never have stability or democracy in a long run. They are not really countries in the modern sense, borders on a map and a flag doesn't make a country.

3 requirement to guarantee a failed country are: being Multi-ethnic, tribal and poor. 2 usually enough, Afghanistan checks all 3, next.

In this case and as many others, Islamic extremism isn't the cause, it's the effect.
 
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lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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This outcome was 100% certain, merely a matter of time.

The west fails to understand, or refuse to, that this type of countries will never have stability or democracy. They are not really countries in the modern sense, borders on a map and a flag doesn't make a country.

3 requirement to guarantee a failed country are: being Multi-ethnic, tribal and poor. Afghanistan checks all 3, next.

In this case and as many others, Islamic extremism isn't the cause, it's the effect.
Yea reminds me of that Scene in Lawrence of Arabia.....where some warlord goes 'Arabs? What are arabs? I only heard this and that and that' ......lists all tribes.
 

Goodfella

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Nov 11, 2012
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One bright side of this Taliban invasion, if there is one, is that now the secularists in the world, including in Muslim-majority countries like Turkey for example, will get better mobilized and will realize once and for all that Sharia is toxic, and that even Islam should stay the fuck away from public life as much as possible.
:lol:

Nice wishful thinking. Muslims are becoming more aware of their religion and more inclined to Sharia with every passing day. Free insider information for you, on the house.

The Salafi movement is growing even among Aziks, in one of the most secular countries in the world.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
41,113
What I say now is very controversial but I never really hated/disliked the Taliban.

Sure they're no saints and wants a strict form of Islam. But they're not ISIS who seeks out to kill anyone and everything.

Taliban wants Sharia in Afghanistan, then let them have it. It's not like they want to enforce it upon other countries, the West should never have interfered, same with the Russians.

Not all countries understand democracy or wants it. When will we learn that?
Taliban hosted and supported Al Qaeda and were Osama Ben Laden's most notorious allies.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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This outcome was 100% certain, merely a matter of time.

The west fails to understand, or refuse to, that this type of countries will never have stability or democracy in a long run. They are not really countries in the modern sense, borders on a map and a flag doesn't make a country.

3 requirement to guarantee a failed country are: being Multi-ethnic, tribal and poor. 2 usually enough, Afghanistan checks all 3, next.

In this case and as many others, Islamic extremism isn't the cause, it's the effect.
This. Same with Iraq and Lebanon. Tribalism destroys any sense of national identity in no time. There’s really nothing that glues these tribes together.
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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Nice wishful thinking. Muslims are becoming more aware of their religion and more inclined to Sharia with every passing day. Free insider information for you, on the house.

The Salafi movement is growing even among Aziks, in one of the most secular countries in the world.
More aware lol
That's like saying bonobos are becoming more aware of fucking and throwing shit
 

BayernFan

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Feb 17, 2016
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I somewhat agree. USSR and Murica brought the war into their home and yet unlike from the daesh there were barely if any terror attacks on foreign soil. Also from what I heard they arent even gonna persecute other religions. Hate them for obvious reasons but without a doubt a Taliban rule is better than Nato 'protection' or a puppet ruler for Afghanistan.

Forza Lgor al Tudohrani and Bahayrassim al Fani

Hamdallah
Agreed.

To me they're not the "good guys" and I wish Afghanistan could be free from them, but the Afghans apparently don't mind them/prefer them to what the West offers.
 

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