Federico Chiesa (20 Viewers)
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yesterday the classic old guard was represented by one single player (bonucci), and you can put alex sandro and cuadrado there too. bonbon was fine (pretty good if you consider his long layoff), sandro was meh, cuadrado was our joint best player, and could easily have had 4-5 assists if our strikers would finish off some of those perfect crosses, and a goal if he was a tiny bit more lucky with that beautiful shot hitting the crossbar right before the end of the regular playtime. i don't see a clear pattern at all. 
as for the mental fragility, we are missing loyalty, leaders with cojones (á la mandzukic, licht), plus we're not a team anymore. while vidal, marchisio, evra and even pirlo knew what juventus stands for, i can't expect passengers like ramsey, rabiot or even ronaldo to feel connected to the club. also, guys like pjanic, matuidi, benatia, mandzukic (etc) were seemingly good friends and had a chemistry on and off the pitch. now we have the world famous cr-pinso bromance, and what else? sad reality is that these guys aren't bad players, but mostly just mercenaries at juventus. if only we had a true motivator as a coach... and this is the true failure of the recrutiment strategy, with chiesa being a refreshing exception. chiesa looks honored and motivated. we'd need many more chiesa's.
as for the mental fragility, we are missing loyalty, leaders with cojones (á la mandzukic, licht), plus we're not a team anymore. while vidal, marchisio, evra and even pirlo knew what juventus stands for, i can't expect passengers like ramsey, rabiot or even ronaldo to feel connected to the club. also, guys like pjanic, matuidi, benatia, mandzukic (etc) were seemingly good friends and had a chemistry on and off the pitch. now we have the world famous cr-pinso bromance, and what else? sad reality is that these guys aren't bad players, but mostly just mercenaries at juventus. if only we had a true motivator as a coach... and this is the true failure of the recrutiment strategy, with chiesa being a refreshing exception. chiesa looks honored and motivated. we'd need many more chiesa's.
These old guard arguments are the attempt to fit a narrative onto reality.
Bonucci didn't lose us this tie. Demiral's penalty, Bentancur's mistake, Ronaldo's wall, these are not the old guard.
1 or 3 players if we include Cuadrado and Alex are of the old guard and Cuadrado has a shout for man of the match.
Our new generation doesn't have the mentality of the old guard. Only Chiesa and De Ligt would fit into 2012-2015 Juve in terms of mentality.
Bonucci didn't lose us this tie. Demiral's penalty, Bentancur's mistake, Ronaldo's wall, these are not the old guard.
1 or 3 players if we include Cuadrado and Alex are of the old guard and Cuadrado has a shout for man of the match.
Our new generation doesn't have the mentality of the old guard. Only Chiesa and De Ligt would fit into 2012-2015 Juve in terms of mentality.
yesterday the classic old guard was represented by one single player (bonucci), and you can put alex sandro and cuadrado there too. bonbon was fine (pretty good if you consider his long layoff), sandro was meh, cuadrado was our joint best player, and could easily have had 4-5 assists if our strikers would finish off some of those perfect crosses, and a goal if he was a tiny bit more lucky with that beautiful shot hitting the crossbar right before the end of the regular playtime. i don't see a clear pattern at all.
as for the mental fragility, we are missing loyalty, leaders with cojones (á la mandzukic, licht), plus we're not a team anymore. while vidal, marchisio, evra and even pirlo knew what juventus stands for, i can't expect passengers like ramsey, rabiot or even ronaldo to feel connected to the club. also, guys like pjanic, matuidi, benatia, mandzukic (etc) were seemingly good friends and had a chemistry on and off the pitch. now we have the world famous cr-pinso bromance, and what else? sad reality is that these guys aren't bad players, but mostly just mercenaries at juventus. if only we had a true motivator as a coach... and this is the true failure of the recrutiment strategy, with chiesa being a refreshing exception. chiesa looks honored and motivated. we'd need many more chiesa's.
as for the mental fragility, we are missing loyalty, leaders with cojones (á la mandzukic, licht), plus we're not a team anymore. while vidal, marchisio, evra and even pirlo knew what juventus stands for, i can't expect passengers like ramsey, rabiot or even ronaldo to feel connected to the club. also, guys like pjanic, matuidi, benatia, mandzukic (etc) were seemingly good friends and had a chemistry on and off the pitch. now we have the world famous cr-pinso bromance, and what else? sad reality is that these guys aren't bad players, but mostly just mercenaries at juventus. if only we had a true motivator as a coach... and this is the true failure of the recrutiment strategy, with chiesa being a refreshing exception. chiesa looks honored and motivated. we'd need many more chiesa's.
Also it probably doesn't help the managers trying to make changes (Sarri, Pirlo) to have a team of veterans who got used to winning one way.
But yeah, definitely a bunch of mercenary pussies too.
not only two, i just mentioned two (three) good games from him. he did very well vs dynamo kiev, atalanta, sassuolo, spal in the coppa (despite the short cameo), and probably an other half a dozen times i don't remember. he's easily one of our best players this season, up there with danilo, cr (shit form unfortunately, but can't deny he's been mostly great), cuadrado, de ligt and virus-free morata. during the last month or so, he was our best player overall. the last bad match i remember from him was vs inda, and it was at the beginning of february.
Soft players imo.
Rabiot, Ramsey, Bentancur, Arthur, and Morata are all soft. Kulu has better mentality but is a raw 20yo kid, McKennie is simply limited. None of these players are leaders.
De Ligt, Chiesa have elite mentality. Demiral needs to relax, opposite problem for him lol. We need more of these guys to replace Chiellini, Buffon, Barzagli, Litch, Mandzukic, Tevez, Marchisio, Vidal, etc, etc, etc.
Rabiot, Ramsey, Bentancur, Arthur, and Morata are all soft. Kulu has better mentality but is a raw 20yo kid, McKennie is simply limited. None of these players are leaders.
De Ligt, Chiesa have elite mentality. Demiral needs to relax, opposite problem for him lol. We need more of these guys to replace Chiellini, Buffon, Barzagli, Litch, Mandzukic, Tevez, Marchisio, Vidal, etc, etc, etc.
Why would I hate someone who is currently our best player on our team?
He proved he is a great player but he hasnt proven enough at the moment. He needs a better coach and better teammates to show how great he is.
I think he is capable of much more despite being already our best player.
McK also proved to be a great player but he also has much more to prove.
Im glad we signed both and both are great purchases but they can still grow and prove much more.
As for Ronaldo - I would much rather have a goal scorer type of player than him from a team play type of view but commercial point of view apparently is our goal.
He proved he is a great player but he hasnt proven enough at the moment. He needs a better coach and better teammates to show how great he is.
I think he is capable of much more despite being already our best player.
McK also proved to be a great player but he also has much more to prove.
Im glad we signed both and both are great purchases but they can still grow and prove much more.
As for Ronaldo - I would much rather have a goal scorer type of player than him from a team play type of view but commercial point of view apparently is our goal.
