[ENG] Premiership 2010/2011 (5 Viewers)

[V]

I give credit to Modric. He's a good player. But you have no credibility on the Modric issue.

Haha, OK, if you say so. It hurts to be proven wrong, I know.

Pavel needed more time, and guess what? He won the Ballon d'Or.

Zidane needed 2nd year and guess what? He was world's best player.


And guess what? Pavel in his first years was playing the exact position Diego has been playing.

I'm not comparing them of course, I'm just saying praising yourself for the things you said about Diego is not clever.

What are you on about? Zidane had a fantastic first year with us, after a few acclimatising months he was easily one of our best players. Same with Nedved. Both those guys in their first year won a Scudetto with us.

 

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[Azzurri7]

Haha, OK, if you say so. It hurts to be proven wrong, I know.


What are you on about? Zidane had a fantastic first year with us, after a few acclimatising months he was easily one of our best players. Same with Nedved. Both those guys in their first year won a Scudetto with us.

Did you even watch Zidane's first year? How many times Zidane in his interviews admitted that it was really hard for him to adapt in his first year?

Hell, even Zidane himself gave Diego an advice few months before Diego's departure saying he also had a difficult first year and passed through the same with Juventus and it all started going well during his 2nd season.

 

[Azzurri7]

Anyway, I'm off, I don't really think it's worth discussing, I'll probably give my reply when Modric is fully ready to play for a big team until then, we'll wait.


Peace :smile:

 

[V]

Did you even watch Zidane's first year? How many times Zidane in his interviews admitted that it was really hard for him to adapt in his first year?

Hell, even Zidane himself gave Diego an advice few months before Diego's departure saying he also had a difficult first year and passed through the same with Juventus and it all started going well during his 2nd season.

Mhm, yeah? After the first few months Zidane was fantastic. You are lost Rab. Hard to adapt is different to not adapting at all and being given the boot, ala Diegone(copyright Vinman).

 

[Osman]

Seems like Diego and Modric are being used as tools and excuse for petty and irrelevant personal squabble

Allways fun to see Andy's astute inputs though

 

[Bjerknes]

I'm not angry at all we didn't buy Modric, I'm angry we bought Diego. I'm angry we overpayed him and lost 10m in the process, tens of millions more as an side-effect of a completely bust season. Diego is not the sole reason we sucked, but he is one of the main ones. Face it, had we bought then and there a winger, proper replacement for Nedved, stuck with 4-4-2, we would be playing CL this year and with an improved squad to boot.

That's one of the big lies being purported. It's a lie. With Ferrara as manager, no system could have saved us. The players were not good enough, the manager was not good enough, and the overall chemistry in the team just wasn't there. Again, you're using Diego as a scapegoat for more than the roll he played, like he can be at fault for his own purchase. This sort of thing is VERY disingenuous of you.

We didn't have to lose 10M in the process. We could have kept him and given him another season, like we did with all sorts of other players.

 

[Fake Melo]

Rafael is a frickin prick! The Manutd gayboy.

 

[Bjerknes]

Haha, OK, if you say so. It hurts to be proven wrong, I know.

You don't. And while I thought Diego would be better, we should have kept him. He was one of the only bright spots last season.

 

[king Ale]

Seems like Diego and Modric are being used as tools and excuse for petty and irrelevant personal squabble

Allways fun to see Andy's astute inputs though

Exactly. Whatever Vlatko said is being discredited because Modric is Croat, that's bullshit.

I myself wanted Diego over Modric in our team but he disappointed me in many many ways.

Kyle, there is a difference between the way Diego performed last season and that of Melo. The latter surely had a much worse season but I had hopes that he, unlike Diego, could improve in the next seasons. Diego needs to be the first player of the team he is playing for, the system must suit him and the whole team must play for him if you want him to show his greatness. But I guess he is neither mentally nor physically strong enough to be given such a role in a big team. His problem, IMO, was not the time required to adapt to the new environment, he was simply not good enough to play for us.

There could be many reasons why Modric is yet to play for a great team, one could be that Tottenham don't actually in need for money. Ferguson has always shown his desire to have Modric in his team.

 

[king Ale]

Btw, what a boring first half at the derby.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

watch juventus you freak!

 

[Martin]

watch juventus you freak!

you rang?

 

[king Ale]

watch juventus you freak!

But Ale is not playing

 

[GordoDeCentral]

you rang?

i gave up on you a while back

But Ale is not playing

they still show shots of him in the bench

 

[Martin]

i gave up on you a while back

you're a terrible liar

 

[V]

That's one of the big lies being purported. It's a lie. With Ferrara as manager, no system could have saved us. The players were not good enough, the manager was not good enough, and the overall chemistry in the team just wasn't there. Again, you're using Diego as a scapegoat for more than the roll he played, like he can be at fault for his own purchase. This sort of thing is VERY disingenuous of you.

We didn't have to lose 10M in the process. We could have kept him and given him another season, like we did with all sorts of other players.

We bought him for 25m, sold him for 15, that's 10m lost. Basic math really.

How can you not make him a scapegoat when everything was done to suit him, he was the one to take us to the next level, yet he failed. He was a huge factor but not the only one, I already said that a countless number of times.

You don't. And while I thought Diego would be better, we should have kept him. He was one of the only bright spots last season.

Ah, the infamous "he was the least stinking piece of crap, from a huge pile of crap". Great.

Exactly. Whatever Vlatko said is being discredited because Modric is Croat, that's bullshit.

That was the case couple of years ago, that is the case now. That's why I'll never let this go. When all this started I was ridiculed even though I had in-depth knowledge of Modric and just as good knowledge of Diego as everyone else, only they knew very little of Modric. But I was Croat so I'm obviously wrong.

Hypotetical situation; Buck or Chester or anyone say Lukaku is better than Rossi. I'm supposed to laugh at them because Lukaku is Belgian? Or should I look at it the reasonable way; they've seen Lukaku play a 100 times more than me, since I obviously don't watch the Belgian league, so maybe they know something I don't. It's a safe bet we've both saw Rossi for Villareal the same number of times and have the same knowledge of him. But not, they're Belgian, they must be biased about Belgian players.

 

[Bjerknes]

We bought him for 25m, sold him for 15, that's 10m lost. Basic math really.

But that "loss" didn't need be incurred. We could have given him another season, which is what some foreign players need. You don't seem to be understanding this.

How can you not make him a scapegoat when everything was done to suit him, he was the one to take us to the next level, yet he failed. He was a huge factor but not the only one, I already said that a countless number of times.

Again, you're using Diego as a scapegoat for the system. Very disingenuous. Ferrara learned the 4-3-1-2 under Lippi and would have used that formation regardless of whether Diego was purchased or not. Why? He said himself that's the sort of setup he prefers. You're looking at this situation like a little kid, blaming one individual for something he had no control over.

So don't blame Diego for the system, blame Ferrara.

That was the case couple of years ago, that is the case now. That's why I'll never let this go. When all this started I was ridiculed even though I had in-depth knowledge of Modric and just as good knowledge of Diego as everyone else, only they knew very little of Modric. But I was Croat so I'm obviously wrong.

Not necessarily wrong, just extremely biased, beyond reason.

Lots of people knew about Modric at the time as well.

 

[Azzurri7]

Exactly. Whatever Vlatko said is being discredited because Modric is Croat, that's bullshit.

What else do you know about me that I don't know?

Shame really.

 

[V]

But that "loss" didn't need be incurred. We could have given him another season, which is what some foreign players need. You don't seem to be understanding this.

Should've, would've, could've.

Again, you're using Diego as a scapegoat for the system. Very disingenuous. Ferrara learned the 4-3-1-2 under Lippi and would have used that formation regardless of whether Diego was purchased or not. Why? He said himself that's the sort of setup he prefers. You're looking at this situation like a little kid, blaming one individual for something he had no control over.

So don't blame Diego for the system, blame Ferrara.

It's simple cause and effect. Diego was the cause, 4-3-3 was the effect. Ferrara was just the executioner. He played what everyone wanted him to play and by everyone I mean most of all you.

Not necessarily wrong, just extremely biased, beyond reason.

Lots of people knew about Modric at the time as well.

No, just immature, unreasonable thinking. Read the edit:

Hypotetical situation; Buck or Chester or anyone say Lukaku is better than Rossi. I'm supposed to laugh at them because Lukaku is Belgian? Or should I look at it the reasonable way; they've seen Lukaku play a 100 times more than me, since I obviously don't watch the Belgian league, so maybe they know something I don't. It's a safe bet we've both saw Rossi for Villareal the same number of times and have the same knowledge of him. But not, they're Belgian, they must be biased about Belgian players.



Like fucking Diego was Messi or something.

 

[Martin]

Like fucking Diego was Messi or something.

He sure wasn't