Emergency Move for Possible Lengthy Chiellini Injury? (18 Viewers)

[TERENCEE]

fcuk it. milan will allow us have ivanovic for the sake of chiello... and worst. ranieri will put poulsen as a CB.

 

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[Alen]

or only the left one and replace it with Jarni's.

Robert Jarni
No-one ever crossed the ball better than Jarni. There was a sniper hiding in his left leg.
Such a shame he was great everywhere he played but Juve.

I'd rather bring back Criscito than waste money on Stendardo.

I think we can't bring Criscito back.
We signed a contract with Genoa and they payed us money for the loan deal. He's their player for this season and the only way to get him back is if Genoa allows us to.
And i don't see why would they allow us to get him back unless we pay them more than what they payed to us.

It will be funny as hell if we do it. Genoa pays us 1m eur in June to have Criscito on loan and in August we pay them 2m eur to get Criscito back. Paying money to get a player who's 100% owned by Juve will be the most hillarious thing this board has done.

 

[HAZEM]

I'd say Zapata , but to get him for reasonable price we need man with good negotiating skills. I don't believe Secco can make that transfer happen.

Zapata is great .........

 

[tibike]

Robert Jarni
No-one ever crossed the ball better than Jarni. There was a sniper hiding in his left leg.
Such a shame he was great everywhere he played but Juve.


I think we can't bring Criscito back.
We signed a contract with Genoa and they payed us money for the loan deal. He's their player for this season and the only way to get him back is if Genoa allows us to.
And i don't see why would they allow us to get him back unless we pay them more than what they payed to us.

It will be funny as hell if we do it. Genoa pays us 1m eur in June to have Criscito on loan and in August we pay them 2m eur to get Criscito back. Paying money to get a player who's 100% owned by Juve will be the most hillarious thing this board has done.

Well, I'd rather pay 2m for Criscito than 9 for Stendardo or 0 for no one.

 

[cyril]

Speaking of criscito he seemed toned up at the olympics.

 

[TERENCEE]

Speaking of criscito he seemed toned up at the olympics.

i always have faith in him.. its just that ranieri condem-ed him after the roma match.. not fair for him especially he's better den molinaro(crisicito play LB too)

 

[Mark]

ah f*ck they're talkin' about ex-Juve player Patrick Muüller who's free. Juts a rumor though.

Other names in the papers; Terlizzi , Campagnaro(not bad) and Ivanovic. :xfinger:

 

[vimo]

i always have faith in him.. its just that ranieri condem-ed him after the roma match.. not fair for him especially he's better den molinaro(crisicito play LB too)

with all due respect to our youngsters but criscito was utter shit in every game he played for us. Molinaro surely is no wonderkid, but he was one class better than criscito on the LB. Loaning him out was the ONLY reasonable move we could have made. And at the olympics... well he made the mistakes against belgium, but i'm not going to judge him for that. But he's still far from serie-a ready in my opinion. That's just the problem with young defenders. In attack, a youngster can show his skill some time, with a nice pass, a nice dribbling, a goal... in defense, if you want to prove yourself, you have to be consistent for 90 minutes, and dominate your opponent EVERY SECOND. You let loose once, the opponent scores, and you're the idiot. That's how it is, and that's why experience and consistency are the most important attributes in defense, and cricito just still lacks these in my opinion. He has all the talent to become a good one, but as of now, he's nowhere near CL- or serie a - top5 ready.

 

[Mike-e-y]

I think we HAVE to go for Ivanovic now, he's the best option, even if we only get him on a load deal for the season without an option. Afterall that is how crespo moved to inter... Chelsea are obviously unwilling to hand an option out but the reality of the matter is that if ivanovic plays a season for us he wont want to go back to chelsea and we may get him this way, even if we dont we still would have had a good defender for a year for relitively little money.

Zapata would be great but cant see it happening.....

 

[vimo]

I think we HAVE to go for Ivanovic now, he's the best option, even if we only get him on a load deal for the season without an option. Afterall that is how crespo moved to inter... Chelsea are obviously unwilling to hand an option out but the reality of the matter is that if ivanovic plays a season for us he wont want to go back to chelsea and we may get him this way, even if we dont we still would have had a good defender for a year for relitively little money.

Zapata would be great but cant see it happening.....

problem with ivanovic is that if milan are on him, there will be the problem of who pays him the better wages, and seriously, i'm not so excited about the idea of having to pay someone like ivanovic >3m euros...

Zapata seems unreachable, and rightly so... too bad really. He would be my first choice.

We all have to wait and see for how long chiellini will be out. If everything turns out well, and he'll be back after 40 days, then i think we won't even sign anyone. Mellberg and Legro will get the job done for those 4 games, and otherwise, Grygera or Zebina could make an effort to play inside (it's far from good, i know, but emergency situations require emergency solutions). What's about knezevic? how long will he be out? Then, in worst case we could even call a primavera...
I mean the first 4 games are fiorentina (tough one), Udinese (ok), cagliari and catania. I mean even without chiellini, we should be able to handle at least half of them.

It all changes when chiellini will be out for longer. If he really should be out for half the season, then we're in trouble, and we're surely going to sign someone. And in that case, we should really splash the cash on someone reliable. Someone like zapata would be a dream; someone young, serie-a proven, long-term solution.

 

[cyril]

problem with ivanovic is that if milan are on him, there will be the problem of who pays him the better wages, and seriously, i'm not so excited about the idea of having to pay someone like ivanovic >3m euros...

Zapata seems unreachable, and rightly so... too bad really. He would be my first choice.

We all have to wait and see for how long chiellini will be out. If everything turns out well, and he'll be back after 40 days, then i think we won't even sign anyone. Mellberg and Legro will get the job done for those 4 games, and otherwise, Grygera or Zebina could make an effort to play inside (it's far from good, i know, but emergency situations require emergency solutions). What's about knezevic? how long will he be out? Then, in worst case we could even call a primavera...
I mean the first 4 games are fiorentina (tough one), Udinese (ok), cagliari and catania. I mean even without chiellini, we should be able to handle at least half of them.

It all changes when chiellini will be out for longer. If he really should be out for half the season, then we're in trouble, and we're surely going to sign someone. And in that case, we should really splash the cash on someone reliable. Someone like zapata would be a dream; someone young, serie-a proven, long-term solution.

I agree; do you have any idea when knezevic will he be back?

 

[Alen]

I agree; do you have any idea when knezevic will he be back?

If you read his post carefully you'll see that he asked "What's about knezevic? how long will he be out?".

 

[cyril]

If you read his post carefully you'll see that he asked "What's about knezevic? how long will he be out?".

I must have missed that. I go on fast with reading posts. Well anyways, do you know?

 

[Vinman]

I think we HAVE to go for Ivanovic now, he's the best option, even if we only get him on a load deal for the season without an option. Afterall that is how crespo moved to inter... Chelsea are obviously unwilling to hand an option out but the reality of the matter is that if ivanovic plays a season for us he wont want to go back to chelsea and we may get him this way, even if we dont we still would have had a good defender for a year for relitively little money.

Zapata would be great but cant see it happening.....

int:

 

[Vinman]

Chellini is the only decent defender we have....none of the rest of these clowns would be starting for any other top team....were fucked if this is a long term injury

we need to splash out the cash and get a great defender, because with Mellberg and Legro starting in the middle, we are going to get blasted by Serie A's better teams, and any CL opponents we face

18/08/2008 15:19
Calcio Debate: No Chiellini, No Juve Defence?

Juventus fans will be biting their fingernails following the potentially serious injury to Giorgio Chiellini last night. Carlo Garganese asks whether this is a sign that the Bianconeri need to buy a top class defender?

My colleague Salvatore Landolina argued in a Calcio Debate several weeks ago that Juventus’ rather shaky looking defence could prove to be their undoing this season. I concurred with this view at the time, and I agree even more now following the events of last night’s Trofeo Berlusconi against Milan.

The Bianconeri did not play badly but still ended up being thrashed 4-1, mainly due to a series of defensive lapses. If the backline already looked slightly suspect with star stopper Giorgio Chiellini on the field, it looked downright chaotic at times after he was forced off injured.

Chiellini is expected to be out of action for between six weeks and six months after badly twisting his knee, and any long-term absence could prove to be absolutely disastrous for Juventus. Chiellini is quite clearly the only top-class defender in Juve’s squad. The young Paolo De Ceglie has shown signs that in the near future he may develop into an outstanding performer, but apart from the 21-year-old, mediocrity reigns supreme in the Old Lady’s backline.

Aside from Chiellini, none of Juve’s defenders would get into any of Italy’s other three members of the Big Four (Inter, Milan and Roma). In fact if we are to extend this hypothesis to Europe, none would make it into any of Juve’s main Champions League challengers; Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Real Madrid and Barcelona. This does not bode well for the club’s chances in the prestigious tournament.

With Chiellini in the side (as well as Gianluigi Buffon in goal), the cracks in Juve’s defence get papered over. The 24-year-old is an absolute colossus, and is sometimes the equivalent of two men. Both Legrottaglie and Mellberg are made to look better than they are next to him, and this was evident when the pair played together for 65 minutes yesterday, and were repeatedly opened up. There may be defensive protection in midfield from Momo Sissoko and Christian Poulsen, but if Chiellini is forced to miss a large chunk of the season, the chances of Juve winning anything this campaign are very slim.

Zdenek Grygera on the right is steady but you are never left completely convinced by him, and indeed he had a shocker last night. The defensive deficiencies of Cristian Molinaro on the left are all too well known. The 25-year-old, who was to blame for two goals last night, is tactically worse than a Sunday League player. Molinaro’s crossing is dreadful also. All he really has going for him is absolutely lightning pace but this is often little consolation. Olympic 100m sensation Usain Bolt is the quickest sprinter in history, but that doesn’t make him a good footballer.

It is quite clear in my eyes that Juventus need to sign a top class centre back. I held this opinion even before last night, but the prospect of Chiellini now being forced out for an extended period of time has just further reinforced this point of view.

Unfortunately, with less than two weeks before the end of the transfer window, it is highly unlikely that any big name players will be purchasable, especially with European domestic seasons already started, or about to start. It remains to be seen whether Juve have made a mistake in not bringing in a top quality stopper this summer, but my early hunch, like most of my colleagues, is that this may prove to be their undoing.

What are your views on this topic? Do Juve need to buy a defender? Is their defence strong enough? Are they too reliant on Giorgio Chiellini? Would a long-term injury to the stopper be an irreparable blow? Goal.com wants to know what YOU think.

Carlo Garganese

goal.com

looks like Carlo read my posts from last night :eyebrows:

I agree 100% with everything he's said.....we're in trouble if we dont bring a top defender in.....

 

[TERENCEE]

looks like Carlo read my posts from last night :eyebrows:

I agree 100% with everything he's said.....we're in trouble if we dont bring a top defender in.....

ranieri will be regret what he did... but sources all over the soccer website is that ivanovic will be likely to play in italy.. juve or milan. but milan are going for marquez now.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I say at least try to get Ivanovic even if Milan is after him.Its very hard to fight with their budget though.

IMO,I think we have one advantage in that race.We could offer him more playing time then Milan.We have Zebina who's injury prone and Grygera.Considering some of injuries they could get plus possible suspension we could use Ivanovic on the right side.In the mean time I'd play him in the centar of course since I think he better fits in there.

He should consider an offer from Milan even if there's a difference in wages between us because he could repeat the same mistake when he signed for Chelsea and didn't even get a change to play.

As Vimo and some others said,I'd also like to see Zapata here but I think we have no chance for him this summer.

Personally,I see us ending up with Campagnaro or someone like that (Burdisso? )

Stendardo?Give me a break.Next!

 

[TERENCEE]

I say at least try to get Ivanovic even if Milan is after him.Its very hard to fight with their budget though.

IMO,I think we have one advantage in that race.We could offer him more playing time then Milan.We have Zebina who's injury prone and Grygera.Considering some of injuries they could get plus possible suspension we could use Ivanovic on the right side.In the mean time I'd play him in the centar of course since I think he better fits in there.

He should consider an offer from Milan even if there's a difference in wages between us because he could repeat the same mistake when he signed for Chelsea and didn't even get a change to play.

As Vimo and some others said,I'd also like to see Zapata here but I think we have no chance for him this summer.

Personally,I see us ending up with Campagnaro or someone like that (Burdisso? )

damn, from the source.. ivanovic prefers milan than juve.

 

[Dostoevsky]

damn, from the source.. ivanovic prefers milan than juve.

Sources say lots of stupid things as well.

I think it's all up to Ivanovic now IF we really want to sign him.He should not do same stupid thing again like he did last year by going after more :money:

I don't see many options out there left for us.As far as situation goes I think its either Campagnaro or Burdisso (Inter has some defense problems lately but I don't know if Mourinho is going to count on him this season).Sadly,we'll look at the cheapes and some with Serie A expiriense or even some rejects.I don't see us going after world class defenders.

 

[Roman]

I'm for Ivanovic,but i still think that he is not like Chiellini,and we'll miss him either way...

let's all hope Chiellini will be back in 2-3 weeks:xfinger:

Forza Giorgio!!!