Egypt: from 2011 demonstrations to today (35 Viewers)
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yesterday was my best day bec of this and i'm being dead honest here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the bastard is a wimp and that was a fact, a fake guy and thank god its out for the world to see how fake he is!!! cry bitch!!!!!!!!!!!! they told me to do this yeah right best thing that happened in a looooooooooooooooooooooooong time i'm loving this new egypt seriously!!!! add to the list:
amr adeeeb the hypocrite got kicked out!!!
sameh anwar and i quote "burn the people in tahrir no one cares about them" on egyptain national tv
amr mostafa songwriter/ composer- on al arabiya was crying like a bitch haram 3aliekom mwaaaaa mwaaaaa go grow a pair there are girls, and little kids over there who r holding up and going with this just so people like u and the remaining 85 million have a better life!! instead of caring so much about yr hair do go down there like the other celebrities who are there thru thick and thin and dont care about there personal image or the governments opinion.
yesterday was my best day bec of this and i'm being dead honest here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the bastard is a wimp and that was a fact, a fake guy and thank god its out for the world to see how fake he is!!! cry bitch!!!!!!!!!!!! they told me to do this yeah right best thing that happened in a looooooooooooooooooooooooong time i'm loving this new egypt seriously!!!! add to the list:
amr adeeeb the hypocrite got kicked out!!!
sameh anwar and i quote "burn the people in tahrir no one cares about them" on egyptain national tv
amr mostafa songwriter/ composer- on al arabiya was crying like a bitch haram 3aliekom mwaaaaa mwaaaaa go grow a pair there are girls, and little kids over there who r holding up and going with this just so people like u and the remaining 85 million have a better life!! instead of caring so much about yr hair do go down there like the other celebrities who are there thru thick and thin and dont care about there personal image or the governments opinion.
I heard both Ahmad Helmi and Ahmad Al-saqqa were thrown away from the square yesterday's evening. I used to like Ahmad Helmi, but it seems he went the wrong path during this.
hopefully this cleans up a lot of things bec these particular people specially that wimp tamer hosny represent how low we've reached. this has nothing to do with me hating him as a person to begin with 
but really when u have children living in the street with no parents and no shelter and all we care about is tamer hosny's new hair do, or tamer hosny being thrown in jail bec he did sth wrong i,e ditch military service then u know sth is wrong with us as a community!! when u see guys and i stress on guys!!! cry or faint bec they see this degenerate then u know sth is wrong with us!!!
as for ahmed helmi my mum told me he went and they welcomed him and all but i am not sure if they kicked him out or not. ahmed el saqaa was in the neighbor security along with a lot of ahly players that they showed on tv protecting there neighbor hoods with the rest of the guys so i give them credit for that but the ones i mentioned were on the phone insulting these people and kissing ass just in case it back fires they dont loose a lot but now that this is still continuing they want the publicity. some one like amr waked for instance has my utmost respect he was there from day one, there are more but he is the first to come to mind in this circumstances. adel emam failed miserably in this period!!
but really when u have children living in the street with no parents and no shelter and all we care about is tamer hosny's new hair do, or tamer hosny being thrown in jail bec he did sth wrong i,e ditch military service then u know sth is wrong with us as a community!! when u see guys and i stress on guys!!! cry or faint bec they see this degenerate then u know sth is wrong with us!!! as for ahmed helmi my mum told me he went and they welcomed him and all but i am not sure if they kicked him out or not. ahmed el saqaa was in the neighbor security along with a lot of ahly players that they showed on tv protecting there neighbor hoods with the rest of the guys so i give them credit for that but the ones i mentioned were on the phone insulting these people and kissing ass just in case it back fires they dont loose a lot but now that this is still continuing they want the publicity. some one like amr waked for instance has my utmost respect he was there from day one, there are more but he is the first to come to mind in this circumstances. adel emam failed miserably in this period!!
hopefully this cleans up a lot of things bec these particular people specially that wimp tamer hosny represent how low we've reached. this has nothing to do with me hating him as a person to begin with but really when u have children living in the street with no parents and no shelter and all we care about is tamer hosny's new hair do, or tamer hosny being thrown in jail bec he did sth wrong i,e ditch military service then u know sth is wrong with us as a community!! when u see guys and i stress on guys!!! cry or faint bec they see this degenerate then u know sth is wrong with us!!!
as for ahmed helmi my mum told me he went and they welcomed him and all but i am not sure if they kicked him out or not. ahmed el saqaa was in the neighbor security along with a lot of ahly players that they showed on tv protecting there neighbor hoods with the rest of the guys so i give them credit for that but the ones i mentioned were on the phone insulting these people and kissing ass just in case it back fires they dont loose a lot but now that this is still continuing they want the publicity. some one like amr waked for instance has my utmost respect he was there from day one, there are more but he is the first to come to mind in this circumstances. adel emam failed miserably in this period!!
but really when u have children living in the street with no parents and no shelter and all we care about is tamer hosny's new hair do, or tamer hosny being thrown in jail bec he did sth wrong i,e ditch military service then u know sth is wrong with us as a community!! when u see guys and i stress on guys!!! cry or faint bec they see this degenerate then u know sth is wrong with us!!! as for ahmed helmi my mum told me he went and they welcomed him and all but i am not sure if they kicked him out or not. ahmed el saqaa was in the neighbor security along with a lot of ahly players that they showed on tv protecting there neighbor hoods with the rest of the guys so i give them credit for that but the ones i mentioned were on the phone insulting these people and kissing ass just in case it back fires they dont loose a lot but now that this is still continuing they want the publicity. some one like amr waked for instance has my utmost respect he was there from day one, there are more but he is the first to come to mind in this circumstances. adel emam failed miserably in this period!!
Shrehan, Tayseer Fahmi, and Jeehan Fadel are leading the female front of revolution supporters.
Egypt's army 'involved in detentions and torture
The Egyptian military has secretly detained hundreds and possibly thousands of suspected government opponents since mass protests against President Hosni Mubarak began, and at least some of these detainees have been tortured, according to testimony gathered by the Guardian.
The military has claimed to be neutral, merely keeping anti-Mubarak protesters and loyalists apart. But human rights campaigners say this is clearly no longer the case, accusing the army of involvement in both disappearances and torture – abuses Egyptians have for years associated with the notorious state security intelligence (SSI) but not the army.
The Guardian has spoken to detainees who say they have suffered extensive beatings and other abuses at the hands of the military in what appears to be an organised campaign of intimidation. Human rights groups have documented the use of electric shocks on some of those held by the army.
Egyptian human rights groups say families are desperately searching for missing relatives who have disappeared into army custody. Some of the detainees have been held inside the renowned Museum of Egyptian Antiquities on the edge of Tahrir Square. Those released have given graphic accounts of physical abuse by soldiers who accused them of acting for foreign powers, including Hamas and Israel.
Among those detained have been human rights activists, lawyers and journalists, but most have been released. However, Hossam Bahgat, director of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights in Cairo, said hundreds, and possibly thousands, of ordinary people had "disappeared" into military custody across the country for no more than carrying a political flyer, attending the demonstrations or even the way they look. Many were still missing.
"Their range is very wide, from people who were at the protests or detained for breaking curfew to those who talked back at an army officer or were handed over to the army for looking suspicious or for looking like foreigners even if they were not," he said. "It's unusual and to the best of our knowledge it's also unprecedented for the army to be doing this."
One of those detained by the army was a 23-year-old man who would only give his first name, Ashraf, for fear of again being arrested. He was detained last Friday on the edge of Tahrir Square carrying a box of medical supplies intended for one of the makeshift clinics treating protesters attacked by pro-Mubarak forces.
"I was on a sidestreet and a soldier stopped me and asked me where I was going. I told him and he accused me of working for foreign enemies and other soldiers rushed over and they all started hitting me with their guns," he said.
Ashraf was hauled off to a makeshift army post where his hands were bound behind his back and he was beaten some more before being moved to an area under military control at the back of the museum.
"They put me in a room. An officer came and asked me who was paying me to be against the government. When I said I wanted a better government he hit me across the head and I fell to the floor. Then soldiers started kicking me. One of them kept kicking me between my legs," he said.
"They got a bayonet and threatened to rape me with it. Then they waved it between my legs. They said I could die there or I could disappear into prison and no one would ever know. The torture was painful but the idea of disappearing in a military prison was really frightening."
Ashraf said the beatings continued on and off for several hours until he was put in a room with about a dozen other men, all of whom had been severely tortured. He was let go after about 18 hours with a warning not to return to Tahrir Square.
Others have not been so lucky. Heba Morayef, a Human Rights Watch researcher in Cairo, said: "A lot of families are calling us and saying: 'I can't find my son, he's disappeared.' I think what's happening is that they're being arrested by the military."
Among those missing is Kareem Amer, a prominent government critic and blogger only recently released after serving a four-year prison sentence for criticising the regime. He was picked up on Monday evening at a military checkpoint late at night as he was leaving Tahrir Square.
Bahgat said the pattern of accounts from those released showed the military had been conducting a campaign to break the protests. "Some people, especially the activists, say they were interrogated about any possible links to political organisations or any outside forces. For the ordinary protesters, they get slapped around and asked: 'Why are you in Tahrir?' It seems to serve as an interrogation operation and an intimidation and deterrence."
The military has claimed to be neutral in the political standoff and both Mubarak and his prime minister, Ahmed Shafiq, have said there will be no "security pursuit" of anti-government activists. But Morayef says this is clearly not the case.
"I think it's become pretty obvious by now that the military is not a neutral party. The military doesn't want and doesn't believe in the protests and this is even at the lower level, based on the interrogations," she said.
Human Rights Watch says it has documented 119 arrests of civilians by the military but believes there are many more. Bahgat said it was impossible to know how many people had been detained because the army is not acknowledging the arrests. But he believes that the pattern of disappearances seen in Cairo is replicated across the country.
"Detentions either go completely unreported or they are unable to inform their family members or any lawyer of their detention so they are much more difficult to assist or look for," he said. "Those held by the military police are not receiving any due process either because they are unaccounted for and they are unable to inform anyone of their detention."
Human Rights Watch has also documented detentions including an unnamed democracy activist who described being stopped by a soldier who insisted on searching his bag, where he found a pro-democracy flyer.
"They started beating me up in the street their rubber batons and an electric Taser gun, shocking me," the activist said.
"Then they took me to Abdin police station. By the time I arrived, the soldiers and officers there had been informed that a 'spy' was coming, and so when I arrived they gave me a 'welcome beating' that lasted some 30 minutes."
While pro-government protesters have also been detained by the army during clashes in Tahrir Square, it is believed that they have been handed on to police and then released, rather than being held and tortured.
The detainee was held in a cell until an interrogator arrived, ordered him to undress and attached cables from an "electric shock machine".
"He shocked me all over my body, leaving no place untouched. It wasn't a real interrogation; he didn't ask that many questions. He tortured me twice like this on Friday, and one more time on Saturday," he said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/09/egypt-army-detentions-torture-accused
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Too sad. I feel though that Egyptian normal people are still resisting to believe that their army is taking part in this because they can't believe that a "holy" organization in their mind can go corrupt too.
The Egyptian military has secretly detained hundreds and possibly thousands of suspected government opponents since mass protests against President Hosni Mubarak began, and at least some of these detainees have been tortured, according to testimony gathered by the Guardian.
The military has claimed to be neutral, merely keeping anti-Mubarak protesters and loyalists apart. But human rights campaigners say this is clearly no longer the case, accusing the army of involvement in both disappearances and torture – abuses Egyptians have for years associated with the notorious state security intelligence (SSI) but not the army.
The Guardian has spoken to detainees who say they have suffered extensive beatings and other abuses at the hands of the military in what appears to be an organised campaign of intimidation. Human rights groups have documented the use of electric shocks on some of those held by the army.
Egyptian human rights groups say families are desperately searching for missing relatives who have disappeared into army custody. Some of the detainees have been held inside the renowned Museum of Egyptian Antiquities on the edge of Tahrir Square. Those released have given graphic accounts of physical abuse by soldiers who accused them of acting for foreign powers, including Hamas and Israel.
Among those detained have been human rights activists, lawyers and journalists, but most have been released. However, Hossam Bahgat, director of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights in Cairo, said hundreds, and possibly thousands, of ordinary people had "disappeared" into military custody across the country for no more than carrying a political flyer, attending the demonstrations or even the way they look. Many were still missing.
"Their range is very wide, from people who were at the protests or detained for breaking curfew to those who talked back at an army officer or were handed over to the army for looking suspicious or for looking like foreigners even if they were not," he said. "It's unusual and to the best of our knowledge it's also unprecedented for the army to be doing this."
One of those detained by the army was a 23-year-old man who would only give his first name, Ashraf, for fear of again being arrested. He was detained last Friday on the edge of Tahrir Square carrying a box of medical supplies intended for one of the makeshift clinics treating protesters attacked by pro-Mubarak forces.
"I was on a sidestreet and a soldier stopped me and asked me where I was going. I told him and he accused me of working for foreign enemies and other soldiers rushed over and they all started hitting me with their guns," he said.
Ashraf was hauled off to a makeshift army post where his hands were bound behind his back and he was beaten some more before being moved to an area under military control at the back of the museum.
"They put me in a room. An officer came and asked me who was paying me to be against the government. When I said I wanted a better government he hit me across the head and I fell to the floor. Then soldiers started kicking me. One of them kept kicking me between my legs," he said.
"They got a bayonet and threatened to rape me with it. Then they waved it between my legs. They said I could die there or I could disappear into prison and no one would ever know. The torture was painful but the idea of disappearing in a military prison was really frightening."
Ashraf said the beatings continued on and off for several hours until he was put in a room with about a dozen other men, all of whom had been severely tortured. He was let go after about 18 hours with a warning not to return to Tahrir Square.
Others have not been so lucky. Heba Morayef, a Human Rights Watch researcher in Cairo, said: "A lot of families are calling us and saying: 'I can't find my son, he's disappeared.' I think what's happening is that they're being arrested by the military."
Among those missing is Kareem Amer, a prominent government critic and blogger only recently released after serving a four-year prison sentence for criticising the regime. He was picked up on Monday evening at a military checkpoint late at night as he was leaving Tahrir Square.
Bahgat said the pattern of accounts from those released showed the military had been conducting a campaign to break the protests. "Some people, especially the activists, say they were interrogated about any possible links to political organisations or any outside forces. For the ordinary protesters, they get slapped around and asked: 'Why are you in Tahrir?' It seems to serve as an interrogation operation and an intimidation and deterrence."
The military has claimed to be neutral in the political standoff and both Mubarak and his prime minister, Ahmed Shafiq, have said there will be no "security pursuit" of anti-government activists. But Morayef says this is clearly not the case.
"I think it's become pretty obvious by now that the military is not a neutral party. The military doesn't want and doesn't believe in the protests and this is even at the lower level, based on the interrogations," she said.
Human Rights Watch says it has documented 119 arrests of civilians by the military but believes there are many more. Bahgat said it was impossible to know how many people had been detained because the army is not acknowledging the arrests. But he believes that the pattern of disappearances seen in Cairo is replicated across the country.
"Detentions either go completely unreported or they are unable to inform their family members or any lawyer of their detention so they are much more difficult to assist or look for," he said. "Those held by the military police are not receiving any due process either because they are unaccounted for and they are unable to inform anyone of their detention."
Human Rights Watch has also documented detentions including an unnamed democracy activist who described being stopped by a soldier who insisted on searching his bag, where he found a pro-democracy flyer.
"They started beating me up in the street their rubber batons and an electric Taser gun, shocking me," the activist said.
"Then they took me to Abdin police station. By the time I arrived, the soldiers and officers there had been informed that a 'spy' was coming, and so when I arrived they gave me a 'welcome beating' that lasted some 30 minutes."
While pro-government protesters have also been detained by the army during clashes in Tahrir Square, it is believed that they have been handed on to police and then released, rather than being held and tortured.
The detainee was held in a cell until an interrogator arrived, ordered him to undress and attached cables from an "electric shock machine".
"He shocked me all over my body, leaving no place untouched. It wasn't a real interrogation; he didn't ask that many questions. He tortured me twice like this on Friday, and one more time on Saturday," he said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/09/egypt-army-detentions-torture-accused
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Too sad. I feel though that Egyptian normal people are still resisting to believe that their army is taking part in this because they can't believe that a "holy" organization in their mind can go corrupt too.
i agree but not entirely and i will tell u why
first yup there are several cases of people vanishing lately specially over the past 2 days so that leave a big question mark to be answered. the answer we might hate big time but it can possibly be true i,e army personnel are doing this but and here is the reason why i dont think the army will get involved in all of this.
right now in the military ranks there is debate and its no secret. tantawi the defence minister is pro mubarak and thats the only reason he is in his post!! make no mistake. in the same time he is not loved by the soliders in the egyptain armed forces and i know this bec when i was at my families place which is in the same street ( a 2 mins walk) as tantawi the soliders there told us in hush hush whispers the army does'nt like him. on the other hand there is Anani who the army loves big time and could possibly be the main reason the army is neutral so far and possibly the reason why i strongly believe the army will not go insane on the people. the army for us egyptains represent soo much to us, they r mainly family members (thats how they r looked at too) the way they treat people is exceptionally good compared to the corrupt and rough ways of the police usually normal egyptains dont interact a lot with the military but at least once in yr life specially if u r a guy u will have to go to them to sort out yr military papers, and get permission to leave for holidays etc and they are very organized, no bribes!!! , no complications, and most importantly no depressing routine. thats how i see it and i think how the average egyptain views the army.
there is a lot of concern now bec it remains a mystery reb as to where the army will go with the people or with the government!! to us the people this entire thing is wanting a better life, more justice, no discrimination, etc for the army its national security so its tough. i'm very concerned bec should the people start moving towards the presidential palace it can be a scary scenerio that no one can predict.
first yup there are several cases of people vanishing lately specially over the past 2 days so that leave a big question mark to be answered. the answer we might hate big time but it can possibly be true i,e army personnel are doing this but and here is the reason why i dont think the army will get involved in all of this.
right now in the military ranks there is debate and its no secret. tantawi the defence minister is pro mubarak and thats the only reason he is in his post!! make no mistake. in the same time he is not loved by the soliders in the egyptain armed forces and i know this bec when i was at my families place which is in the same street ( a 2 mins walk) as tantawi the soliders there told us in hush hush whispers the army does'nt like him. on the other hand there is Anani who the army loves big time and could possibly be the main reason the army is neutral so far and possibly the reason why i strongly believe the army will not go insane on the people. the army for us egyptains represent soo much to us, they r mainly family members (thats how they r looked at too) the way they treat people is exceptionally good compared to the corrupt and rough ways of the police usually normal egyptains dont interact a lot with the military but at least once in yr life specially if u r a guy u will have to go to them to sort out yr military papers, and get permission to leave for holidays etc and they are very organized, no bribes!!! , no complications, and most importantly no depressing routine. thats how i see it and i think how the average egyptain views the army.
there is a lot of concern now bec it remains a mystery reb as to where the army will go with the people or with the government!! to us the people this entire thing is wanting a better life, more justice, no discrimination, etc for the army its national security so its tough. i'm very concerned bec should the people start moving towards the presidential palace it can be a scary scenerio that no one can predict.
One of the good guys has passed away this morning. Saadeddin Al-Shatheli was the Egyptian army leader in 1973 war and was behind the plan of defeating Israelis during that war. I heard that he refused to stop his forces when the previous president Anwar Al-Sadat called him to do so. He wanted to keep advancing to get rid of Israel. Then, Sadat wanted to send him an envoy to negotiate with him, and sent him Mubarak. When Al-Shatheli saw Mubarak, he told him to tell Sadat to send him a respected envoy next time. Some news say that demonstrators in Tahrir Square decided to have his funeral in the square to honour him. That would be a very nice remark sent to all the idiots like Mubarak and Suleiman.
Where does Amr Diab stand?
u r touching an open wound ze!! honestly i have no idea where the hell he is!!! probably the four seasons but so far he has not made a single comment for these guys any thing they say will have huge consequences on there reputation but i would like to think that people are also not too naive to believe he was neutral bec if he cared he would've at least said the guys are trying to change how this country has been going and deserve our respect and zip it up but he has'nt even done that!!no way!!!!!!!!!! my god this man was very respected, and is actually a guy who gave a chance for others to pitch there opinions in hard times like the idea of using water pumps in the oct war. may his soul rest in peace
edit: reb its the other way around bro he did'nt want to advance and was against tricking syria from day one!! he told sadat not to advance past the cannal 15km bec the forces would be exposed to the isreali air force also the gap that happened thanks to sadat taking matters in his hand happened and he wanted to solve it but sadat insisted on the forces advancing bec he had to make it up to the syrians who were getting all the pressure from the idf. he sent him mubarak to talk sense to him apparently how ironic
edit: reb its the other way around bro
he did'nt want to advance and was against tricking syria from day one!! he told sadat not to advance past the cannal 15km bec the forces would be exposed to the isreali air force also the gap that happened thanks to sadat taking matters in his hand happened and he wanted to solve it but sadat insisted on the forces advancing bec he had to make it up to the syrians who were getting all the pressure from the idf. he sent him mubarak to talk sense to him apparently how ironic yup he was there and cut his trip short. i know he was there with his opposite but pre this happening reb. rumour has it and i'm not sure here reb but he left bec there was a massive conflict between the army, tantawi, and mubarak and its very well documented this happened on the 27th if memory serves me right. he cut his trip to make sure the army does not go down to the streets and fights the people bec the majority of the army forget tantawi are against that. i wont be surprised if mub had issued orders for the army to wrap this up and they refused.
u r touching an open wound ze!! honestly i have no idea where the hell he is!!! probably the four seasons but so far he has not made a single comment for these guys any thing they say will have huge consequences on there reputation but i would like to think that people are also not too naive to believe he was neutral bec if he cared he would've at least said the guys are trying to change how this country has been going and deserve our respect and zip it up but he has'nt even done that!!
Btw, I stayed with a Sudanese family for a few days earlier this year and they watched a lot of Egyptian movies. This Adel Emam guy was one of their favorites. They said he was pretty legendary in the Egyptian cinema. Has he spoken out about all this?