Dubai Virgin Radio Dj fired for offensive comments on god (2 Viewers)

[HelterSkelter]

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Not working Dominic.You still need to try harder.

You're conveninently ignoring the entire question with your redundant logic of why people should be able to say everything and anything.

 

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[Dominic]

Only in your world is logic redundant..

What is the question then I'm not ignoring anything.

 

[HelterSkelter]

So how do you make a meaningful distinction? There are laws against libel and such, you can't go around telling falsehoods, there are also laws that protect people's privacy and so on.

But beliefs? How do you defend a law that bans criticism of belief? People can believe any frickin thing they want and that should be above criticism? More importantly, should you?

You follow the value system of the area you're in.Its as simple as that.A woman can wear a bikini in public in Sweden or Poland,but should she do that in Iran or Pakistan?No she shouldnt.

The same thing applies to what you should say and what you shouldnt say.

What's hard to understand?

 

[Martin]

You follow the value system of the area you're in.Its as simple as that.A woman can wear a bikini in public in Sweden or Poland,but should she do that in Iran or Pakistan?No she shouldnt.

The same thing applies to what you should say and what you shouldnt say.

What's hard to understand?

Okay then. So you're saying you don't mind the Danish cartoons because they follow the value system of Denmark, ie. it's fine to question religion?

 

[Zé Tahir]

I'd rather have a pile of shit on my hand than be gagged all my life.



No freedom of speech automatically means the end of democracy. There is no middle ground, no. Where would you possibly draw the line on what one can say or not? Freedom of speech implies that there is no line. Create a line and you control what people say or not.

Why would you be gagged? I don't want to change any laws. I just want you to be more considerate. Didn't your momma teach you any manners?

 

[HelterSkelter]

Only in your world is logic redundant..

What is the question then I'm not ignoring anything.

The simple fact that you think a person should be allowed to get away with everything and anything,since he's only practicing 'freedom of speech'.You toss aside everything related to different people in different parts of the world,with different beliefs,with different values,with different backgrounds.

You apparently believe in tolerance,but all of that flies out of the window when you pull out the mighty 'Freedom Of Speech' card.

You can trash religion all you like if you're in a country that doesnt value Religion,but if you trash religion in a country that does value Religion,then you are at fault.

You dont follow the same speed limit on a highway that you do the in your street,do you?If you can acknowledge and respect different rules for different places,then why do you have a problem with different countries having different value systems?

Poor attempt at trying to be cool perhaps?Now throw a classy comment about Pakistan at me.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Okay then. So you're saying you don't mind the Danish cartoons because they follow the value system of Denmark, ie. it's fine to question religion?

Precisley.

 

[Rhizoid]

I'm going to talk about Dubai a little bit here -

The foreign influx here, in this Emirate in particular, along with its globalization in accepting all cultures, can easily make people forget that Dubai IN ESSENCE is an Arab, Muslim Emirate.

I don't care if Alcohol and whore-houses are readily available here. This place is was and always will be an Arabic and Muslim society from the old town of Naif, Al Mamzar, Deira, to Karama, Bur Dubai, Jumeira all the way up to the rising Jebel Ali!!

I was recently at GITEX 2008 electronics exhibition - and I overheard one Emarati guy ranting out loud, "Find me ONE signage in Arabic. This is an exhibition in the Middle East, right? Find me one stand that has their signage in Arabic. Theyre all in English, all the logos in English."

(in Arabic he was saying, for those who understand "Yaa jama3a ween el law7at bil 3arabee? ma yiseer, e7na fi balad 3arabee, wala law7a negraha fil 3arabee fil ma3rad kellesh!!!)"

I don't know who is to blame here. But Dubai has a confused identity. Tourists come here and get wasted at the pubs and bars; yet are told that this is an Islamic country (where they have a pre-conceived notion of Bin-Laden, extremism, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and 9/11).

This DJ should've done his homework. Somethings are tolerated, somethings are not.

Just like the dumbass couple who had sex on the beach, then bitched out the cops. I mean seriously, some common sense...

 

[Seven]

The simple fact that you think a person should be allowed to get away with everything and anything,since he's only practicing 'freedom of speech'.You toss aside everything related to different people in different parts of the world,with different beliefs,with different values,with different backgrounds.

You apparently believe in tolerance,but all of that flies out of the window when you pull out the mighty 'Freedom Of Speech' card.

You can trash religion all you like if you're in a country that doesnt value Religion,but if you trash religion in a country that does value Religion,then you are at fault.

You dont follow the same speed limit on a highway that you do the in your street,do you?If you can acknowledge and respect different rules for different places,then why do you have a problem with different countries having different value systems?

Poor attempt at trying to be cool perhaps?Now throw a classy comment about Pakistan at me.

On the surface your analogy looks cool and all, but actually it's false. You see, most of us do agree about freedom of speech. This is not the same as a changing speed limit, but more like countries agreeing not to butcher red cross doctors in war zones. It is (or should be) an international, not a national, rule.

I don't like it very much when people are intellectually dishonest.

 

[Rhizoid]

Also -

I'll know SEVERAL non-Arabs who were raised in Saudi / Kuwait for example; and speak some Arabic. Hell even back home in Lebanon, we had a Dutch kid in the 9th grade, we made him speak Lebanese slang after only a few weeks lol!

But nearly everyone born and raised in Dubai (expats/non-Arabs) have no clue how to speak Arabic...

this is another reason why I feel Dubai has a confused identity. Language (i.e. how you communicate) is an important way of defining identity.

And I doubt Dubai wants their identity to be, Lebanese/Syrian/Egyptian/Palestinian dialect, Indian/Pakistani accent, British accent, Australian or South African accent etc.........

 

[swag]

I don't care if Alcohol and whore-houses are readily available here. This place is was and always will be an Arabic and Muslim society from the old town of Naif, Al Mamzar, Deira, to Karama, Bur Dubai, Jumeira all the way up to the rising Jebel Ali!!

You're fooling yourself and ignoring the truths of history of you believe that. Human history is littered with stories of major demographic shifts in population, religion, race, etc.

 

[Martin]

Btw I think Dubai is a really interesting test tube for what happens when you invite a bunch of rich western tourists into your land and the struggles that follow.

 

[Azzurri7]

How can one achieve peace and understanding between people when you extend the hand of peace and slap the face with the same hand? Do you shit on your hand when you eat?

How would it bring oppressive totalitarian states? Is there no middle ground here? It's like it's either one extreme or the other extreme with you.

I'm sure in a lot of places, the majority finds stupidity offensive.

Perhaps not in Pakistan, where the majority is stupid.

I'm sure in lot of places you wouldn't have the balls to call God a cunt.

 

[Rhizoid]

You're fooling yourself and ignoring the truths of history of you believe that. Human history is littered with stories of major demographic shifts in population, religion, race, etc.

Well this place is stable...for now. I don't know if the millions of Non-Resident-Indians will revolt and take over. (didn't mean that to be offensive...just an example, since they are the majority and I have heard them complain about why they don't get the passport...even local Emaratis speak Urdu, and use Urdu slang words in their spoken Arabic).

Anyhow, demographic shift yes. Change in government and religion? I don;t think so...not for a looong time, at least.

2010 there will be a unified Gulf currency, thus further strengthening the bond of the Gulf Cooperation Council.

Btw I think Dubai is a really interesting test tube for what happens when you invite a bunch of rich western tourists into your land and the struggles that follow.

Seriously, I always thought of it that way too.

 

[Dominic]

The simple fact that you think a person should be allowed to get away with everything and anything,since he's only practicing 'freedom of speech'.You toss aside everything related to different people in different parts of the world,with different beliefs,with different values,with different backgrounds.

You apparently believe in tolerance,but all of that flies out of the window when you pull out the mighty 'Freedom Of Speech' card.

You can trash religion all you like if you're in a country that doesnt value Religion,but if you trash religion in a country that does value Religion,then you are at fault.

You dont follow the same speed limit on a highway that you do the in your street,do you?If you can acknowledge and respect different rules for different places,then why do you have a problem with different countries having different value systems?

Poor attempt at trying to be cool perhaps?Now throw a classy comment about Pakistan at me.

Freedom of SPEECH. The right to say what you want. It's about being able to say and give you opinion on everything, without being condemned for it. Its when you act according to 'dangerous' thoughts, it's when it's dangerous.

Wether a country or not values religion is irrelevant. One should be able to express their opinion about it, without receiving punishment for it.

About the highway analogy, it's all about order and practical reasons. Totally different thing.

I'm sure in lot of places you wouldn't have the balls to call God a cunt.

Thank you! That's exactly the problem. One should be able to call god a cunt anywhere.

 

[Fred]

I'm sure in lot of places you wouldn't have the balls to call God a cunt.

the truest words spoken till now in this thread.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Forza Freedom to Insult!

You guys believe in no God. You have no culture. You have friends who you will lose touch with in a few years. You'll move out of your parents’ house (if you haven't already) and will gradually stop talking to them...maybe once or twice a year. You'll get married, divorce after a couple of years. You'll try it again and you'll have a couple of children who'll grow up not really liking you. You'll divorce again and you'll find happiness at the bottom of a bottle. You'll eventually be placed in an old home because your kids won't want to take care of you. You poor souls, enjoy your freedom of speech...that's all ya got!

 

[Martin]

Was that a poem?

 

[Il Re]

Forza Freedom to Insult!

You guys believe in no God. You have no culture. You have friends who you will lose touch with in a few years. You'll move out of your parents’ house (if you haven't already) and will gradually stop talking to them...maybe once or twice a year. You'll get married, divorce after a couple of years. You'll try it again and you'll have a couple of children who'll grow up not really liking you. You'll divorce again and you'll find happiness at the bottom of a bottle. You'll eventually be placed in an old home because your kids won't want to take care of you. You poor souls, enjoy your freedom of speech...that's all ya got!

where did that come from

 

[swag]

where did that come from

A lot of reverse presumptions.

Not to jump on Seven's anti-religious bandwagon, but it's the bible-thumpers in this country that are responsible for more divorces and out-of-wedlock children than any of the so-called God-hating heathens.

There are some broad strokes being made here. Religion does not make the man -- just because someone goes to church or temple or mosque every day does not remove the likelihood of them being a lecherous thug. Look at most American televangelists for that matter. Or the Catholic priesthood.

But to be fair, a belief in religion doesn't make you a mystic zealot either, and it's not a sign of feeble-mindedness nor weakness of intellect.