Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (23 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That last statement is your arrogance if he made you a believer than what is the point in reason, free will and intellect we might as well have been monkeys

Nah, god is really arrogant. "Thou shall not put the Lord your God to the test"? Reeks of arrogance.

Also, if god wanted us to have free will, then he would definitely let us test him. That's why my wi-fi router is better than god. I can always test it.

after 40 years, i havent found god.

Same here. Only I'm 27.

 

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[Martin]

I have a different question. Is there one god or are there many?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Nah, god is really arrogant. "Thou shall not put the Lord your God to the test"? Reeks of arrogance.

Also, if god wanted us to have free will, then he would definitely let us test him. That's why my wi-fi router is better than god. I can always test it.



Same here. Only I'm 27.

People especially you test God every day. Don't act like you don't

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

People especially you test God every day. Don't act like you don't

Hey, I'm just exercising my free will, yo.

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I have a different question. Is there one god or are there many?

Depends on who's answering.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Hey, I'm just exercising my free will, yo.

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Depends on who's answering.

At least you recognize that :thumbup:

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

At least you recognize that :thumbup:

It's really ironic that you speak of free will though, when you believe in a book that contains gods' commandments. The more I think about it, the more it seems like 'free will, as long is it doesn't go against what god wills'.

"Hey, I've given you free will. As long as you do not worship any other god. Or eat shellfish".

 

[Martin]

Depends on who's answering.

and who is?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

and who is?

Let's wait and see.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It's really ironic that you speak of free will though, when you believe in a book that contains gods' commandments. The more I think about it, the more it seems like 'free will, as long is it doesn't go against what god wills'.

"Hey, I've given you free will. As long as you do not worship any other god. Or eat shellfish".

That's not true if your free will is to worship another God or do other things than the consequences of that free will are what they are. Every choice has a consequence

 

[Martin]

That's not true if your free will is to worship another God or do other things than the consequences of that free will are what they are. Every choice has a consequence

Ah, ok. So how do you know which one is best?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That's not true if your free will is to worship another God or do other things than the consequences of that free will are what they are. Every choice has a consequence

And according to your god, the consequences are...?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Ah, ok. So how do you know which one is best?

I know from my experiences and my prayer meditation who is my God I feel it in my soul

 

[Martin]

I know from my experiences and my prayer meditation who is my God I feel it in my soul

People write the same thing about Juventus. Or Inter.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

And according to your god, the consequences are...?

Well Hell seems to be the answer. Now most people seem to have differing interpretation of hell some say its eternal punishment while others say its eternal separation from God

 

[AndreaCristiano]

People write the same thing about Juventus. Or Inter.

That's them not me

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Well Hell seems to be the answer. Now most people seem to have differing interpretation of hell some say its eternal punishment while others say its eternal separation from God

Some free will that is!

OK, answer this. Suppose a man refuses to worship Yahweh and instead chooses to worship a Hindu god, say Vishnu. He lives his life doing more good than evil. Now according to the Hindu scriptures, a man like him will go to heaven. But according to your god, he'll go to hell.

So which one is it? Does he go to Hindu heaven, then Yahweh's hell? Or hell first, then heaven? Or does he exist in both places at the same time? Exactly which god gets to apply his judgement upon him?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Some free will that is!

OK, answer this. Suppose a man refuses to worship Yahweh and instead chooses to worship a Hindu god, say Vishnu. He lives his life doing more good than evil. Now according to the Hindu scriptures, a man like him will go to heaven. But according to your god, he'll go to hell.

So which one is it? Does he go to Hindu heaven, then Yahweh's hell? Or hell first, then heaven? Or does he exist in both places at the same time? Exactly which god gets to apply his judgement upon him?

That's not true Jesus hinted at a scenario like this when the pagan worshiping roman soldier came to him to heal his servant he looked at as a son. Jesus said to him take me to him and I will heal him. The soldier said rabbi I am not worthy to have you come to my house but I know if you command it it will be done. So Jesus said to the Jews with him that he had not seen such faith from all the tribes of Israel. Then he told the man to go home and he would find that the servant boy was healed. So it seems that the roman even though not a believer in the monotheistic God had more faith than many Jews and so his prayer per se was answered. I have said it multiple times especially to you on here and with pm and on Twitter. I believe God tries till the very last second to call us to him

 

[acmilan]

so what's "in the image of" mean exactly? some kind of ethically shady human cloning?

usually the meaning is left to the interpretation of the reader, which itself is heavily dependent on the circumstances i.e. it don't mean shit apart from being a catchy phrase that makes religious people feel better about their shitty everyday lives

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That's not true Jesus hinted at a scenario like this when the pagan worshiping roman soldier came to him to heal his servant he looked at as a son. Jesus said to him take me to him and I will heal him. The soldier said rabbi I am not worthy to have you come to my house but I know if you command it it will be done. So Jesus said to the Jews with him that he had not seen such faith from all the tribes of Israel. Then he told the man to go home and he would find that the servant boy was healed. So it seems that the roman even though not a believer in the monotheistic God had more faith than many Jews and so his prayer per se was answered. I have said it multiple times especially to you on here and with pm and on Twitter. I believe God tries till the very last second to call us to him

What's not true?

Oh I wish your beliefs were true. I haven't heard from any gods. I'm really starting to worry if they have any idea how communication works.

PS: You still didn't answer my question.

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usually the meaning is left to the interpretation of the reader, which itself is heavily dependent on the circumstances i.e. it don't mean shit apart from being a catchy phrase that makes religious people feel better about their shitty everyday lives

Clarity and in-ambiguity is clearly not gods' top priorities.

 

[Raz]

Oh boy...