Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (17 Viewers)

[Kate]

What about my free will to live forever if I so choose? Thanks for nothing, Adam.

You'd get bored. And then once the earth has ceased to exist (due to man's over-exercising of his dominion over all), you'll just be floating around in space all by your lonesome.

 

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[Martin]

You'd get bored. And then once the earth has ceased to exist (due to man's over-exercising of his dominion over all), you'll just be floating around in space all by your lonesome.

What do you mean lonesome? Do you have to be somewhere?

 

[Kate]

What do you mean lonesome? Do you have to be somewhere?

Well if you're immortal I'd imagine you're SOMEWHERE, while the rest of us would have all been killed.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You'd get bored. And then once the earth has ceased to exist (due to man's over-exercising of his dominion over all), you'll just be floating around in space all by your lonesome.

I think immortality alone would be awful

 

[king Ale]

We can observe the effects radio waves have on a radio. You can turn of a Wi-Fi router and demonstrate that radio waves originate from the router.

Well, to a believer, every soul's existence is an effect of god's existence. Believers observe the effects so they believe in god like you observe the effect of radio waves and you infer that they do exist. The common area here is that we (believers and non-believers) obviously don't need to see things in order to believe them, the rest of the argument is pointless because it stems from the different ways of seeing and interpreting things.

 

[Kate]

I think immortality alone would be awful

I agree. I'd rather guaranteed life and health until 80+, then you don't know when you'll go.

 

[Martin]

Well if you're immortal I'd imagine you're SOMEWHERE, while the rest of us would have all been killed.

It's not just me. If it weren't for Adam we'd all be able to choose immortality. So in fact the forum would never end.

 

[Kate]

It's not just me. If it weren't for Adam we'd all be able to choose immortality. So in fact the forum would never end.

There's a hell of a thought.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Well, to a believer, every soul's existence is an effect of god's existence. Believers observe the effects so they believe in god like you observe the effect of radio waves and you infer that they do exist. The common area here is that we (believers and non-believers) obviously don't need to see things in order to believe them, the rest of the argument is pointless because it stems from the different ways of seeing and interpreting things.

Very concise argument

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I agree. I'd rather guaranteed life and health until 80+, then you don't know when you'll go.

Could you imagine watching everything you love die ? Sadness incarnate

 

[Martin]

There's a hell of a thought.

You have moderation tenure.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Eves also. Although its not as bout fault. It was an exercise in free will, a test if you will

But if you think about it, it's all gods fault. If he hadn't created Eden, the tree of knowledge, the talking snake or Adam and Eve for that matter, none of this would've happened. Especially when you consider god knew the consequences of his actions even before he carried them out.

 

[Martin]

But if you think about it, it's all gods fault. If he hadn't created Eden, the tree of knowledge, the talking snake or Adam and Eve for that matter, none of this would've happened. Especially when you consider god knew the consequences of his actions even before he carried them out.

He likes saying "I told you so".

 

[Kate]

You have moderation tenure.

w00t, as they say.

 

[Martin]

w00t, as they say.

they, the riff raff

 

[AndreaCristiano]

But if you think about it, it's all gods fault. If he hadn't created Eden, the tree of knowledge, the talking snake or Adam and Eve for that matter, none of this would've happened. Especially when you consider god knew the consequences of his actions even before he carried them out.

What are you talking about. God created it gave us free will because he didn't want zombie followers. We made the choices, if none of that was available we would be mindless drones

 

[Kate]

they, the riff raff

Quite

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What are you talking about. God created it gave us free will because he didn't want zombie followers. We made the choices, if none of that was available we would be mindless drones

Who doesn't want zombie followers?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Well, to a believer, every soul's existence is an effect of god's existence. Believers observe the effects so they believe in god like you observe the effect of radio waves and you infer that they do exist. The common area here is that we (believers and non-believers) obviously don't need to see things in order to believe them, the rest of the argument is pointless because it stems from the different ways of seeing and interpreting things.

But that's the beauty of radio waves. It's out in the open for all to see. Even the unbeliever can experiment with it to his satisfaction. No prerequisites necessary on behalf of the believer/non-believer. This is impossible with god.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

But that's the beauty of radio waves. It's out in the open for all to see. Even the unbeliever can experiment with it to his satisfaction. No prerequisites necessary on behalf of the believer/non-believer. This is impossible with god.

Not impossible. Your perception doesn't allow you to see because you chose to only believe what your senses comprehend. While many people through prayer, meditation etc have transcended those senses and felt Gods presence. Be it the Dali lama, a rabbi, pastor or believer

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

What are you talking about. God created it gave us free will because he didn't want zombie followers. We made the choices, if none of that was available we would be mindless drones

I'm talking about causality. The whole original sin scenario could've been avoided by god if he simply did not put the tree of knowledge in Eden, or put the snake in the garden. But god knew the consequence of putting it there, yet decided it put it. Therefore, it's gods fault.