Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (18 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

Deneb, are you a Christian?

why are you asking my friend?

 

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[Trequartista]

why are you asking my friend?

I'm curious

I don't care about people's religion, for the record.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I'm curious

I don't care about people's religion, for the record.

exactly, how one chooses to worship his Creator is a personal choice, the less we talk about it the better off we ll be right?

 

[Trequartista]

Yeah, no problem

 

[GordoDeCentral]

labels are work of the devil

 

[Zlatan]

once again with the taxes, charity is voluntary taxes are not. What your taxes really pay for, nobody really knows, maybe it's meds maybe it's bullets. And the "ad hoc charity" bit only reconfirms that you dont really get the concept of charity. Systematic approach to helping people is community/society based, and often government driven as a justification as you pointed out for taxation. Helping on a personal level and out of choice, that's charity. Someone knocks on your door and they;re hungry you can either choose to help them or tell them to wait for your taxes to trickle down to their bowl.




chosen by?

I agree, and I get the concept of charity, I just think that the more efficient way of solving problems (because that what you are also trying to help with charity) is through systemic solutions rather than one-off or small individual acts of charity (which I do myself BTW, as much as I can considering I'm a student). So while the charity may make you feel better about yourself and like you're doing something, the people you are trying to help would be better off if the problem was dealt with systemically (for example through taxes).

I'm not saying that you should never give charity, I simply wanted to point out the lack of logic of Andrea Cristiano that he is such a good person giving charity all over the place, yet being against higher taxes to help peaople in a systematic way.

 

[Martin]

chosen by?

Interesting deep question.

 

[Zlatan]

P.S. Chosen by your parents/family/society.

 

[Martin]

labels are work of the devil

X transcends ontological categories

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I agree, and I get the concept of charity, I just think that the more efficient way of solving problems (because that what you are also trying to help with charity) is through systemic solutions rather than one-off or small individual acts of charity (which I do myself BTW, as much as I can considering I'm a student). So while the charity may make you feel better about yourself and like you're doing something, the people you are trying to help would be better off if the problem was dealt with systemically (for example through taxes).

I'm not saying that you should never give charity, I simply wanted to point out the lack of logic of Andrea Cristiano that he is such a good person giving charity all over the place, yet being against higher taxes to help peaople in a systematic way.

ok expressed that way i agree with you, i have to admit that in this day and age, there so many 'charities' and it's hard to figure which takes precedence.

Interesting deep question.

just in case the person(s) who chose it were reading that

 

[Martin]

just in case the person(s) who chose it were reading that

It's obviously true that the parents no more chose the religion than the children chose it. It's just a self perpetuating virus type thing.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It's obviously true that the parents no more chose the religion than the children chose it. It's just a self perpetuating virus type thing.

ya but where does it start

 

[Martin]

ya but where does it start

With language

 

[Zlatan]

It's obviously true that the parents no more chose the religion than the children chose it. It's just a self perpetuating virus type thing.

Of course not, what I meant was that the parents chose the religion for the child, which is of course their own relligion.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I would say that religion is predetermined, not chosen, by family traditions. It doesn't become a choice until the family has a change in religious beliefs.

 

[Martin]

I would say that religion is predetermined, not chosen, by family traditions. It doesn't become a choice until the family has a change in religious beliefs.

You're right. And what X implied is too. It's not even a choice, it's obsessive compulsive behavior.

 

[Zlatan]

I would say that religion is predetermined, not chosen, by family traditions. It doesn't become a choice until the family has a change in religious beliefs.

Agreed, the "choice" should be in quotation marks.

 

[Hængebøffer]

I would say that religion is predetermined, not chosen, by family traditions. It doesn't become a choice until the family has a change in religious beliefs.

I agree with this.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I would say that religion is predetermined, not chosen, by family traditions. It doesn't become a choice until the family has a change in religious beliefs.

That's not really accurate. Many many children leave or convert from their parental religion. If they truly search they find what they believe in not just follow blindly like sheep

 

[Zlatan]

That's not really accurate. Many many children leave or convert from their parental religion. If they truly search they find what they believe in not just follow blindly like sheep

Many? How many is that exactly? What happens is that mostly children become less religious (pracitce religion less), less often that they completely disown religion and even less often that they convert to another religion. So I wouldnt really say its many many children.