Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (102 Viewers)

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Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
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What's the difference between my spaghetti monster and other monotheistic gods?
There are no monotheistic gods. God sent over 100k prophets to every corner of the Earth and they all preached about the one single God. Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Confucius, Socrates, Krishna, Buddha, among others were all prophets of God. Some people strayed from their teachings and created religions that we see today that were never meant to be. Islam completes the teachings of all these prophets and is the final word of God.
 
Jan 16, 2013
27,307
There are no monotheistic gods. God sent over 100k prophets to every corner of the Earth and they all preached about the one single God. Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Confucius, Socrates, Krishna, Buddha, among others were all prophets of God. Some people strayed from their teachings and created religions that we see today that were never meant to be. Islam completes the teachings of all these prophets and is the final word of God.
How could i've been so wrong for so long :cry:
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
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There are no monotheistic gods. God sent over 100k prophets to every corner of the Earth and they all preached about the one single God. Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Confucius, Socrates, Krishna, Buddha, among others were all prophets of God. Some people strayed from their teachings and created religions that we see today that were never meant to be. Islam completes the teachings of all these prophets and is the final word of God.
All based on ancient Egyptian allegory :tup:
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
29,281
There's no discussion when you mock other religions by saying they all got it wrong and you have the final word.

From here on it's just you trying to convince us you're right. It's pointless.
So you're saying I'm not entitled to my opinion? Isn't that the whole point of this thread? Look at the title, it has a question mark ffs :lol2:

Get out if you don't wanna have a discussion.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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There's no argument for or against God, as there really isn't any credible evidence either way.

Seriously. The absolute plethora of religions in this world is rather enlightening when it comes to the question of whether any single one of them is actually right... If there is some God/Godhead in the Universe, it's probably having a good laugh at all the morons on Earth pretending theirs is the proper path to God, and all others are blasphemers or infidels.

Arguing over the existence of God is the most pointless mental masturbation possible. There is no argument. God is a theory without evidence. Could God still exist? Sure. There's no way to prove otherwise. Anything we can think could exist somewhere in the Universe. But that's so fucking irrelevant to living. What a waste of a life to spend pondering something so... utterly unknowable.
Gravity's a theory too but I don't see you talking shit on that.

Elongate your life on earth to enjoys the bounties of it and if the longer time you have on earth the longer time you have to rectify things. Once you're dead you'll be judged on what you did so if you're not living right yet you still have time to get it right.

Why would he be doing better? You enjoy freedom in every single aspect of life every day and look down on places like North Korea because there you have no freedom whatsoever but as soon as you hear that there's a God that has given you free will you can't comprehend it. God could have done without anything "bad" if he was involved with every little aspect of life, from prevent you from stepping into that pothole filled with rainwater to not have anyone die ever but then we'd all be like robots and would have bland boring and meaningless lives. Instead life is more interesting. It's an interesting journey. You go out into the world and you meet new people, share new ideas, explore and observe new things. You go through life without knowing the outcome otherwise what'd be the point? This, what you're doing right now, having this discussion is as a result of this freedom.
Why does God kill newborn babies? Sure, we get freedom but what about all the people who never got to feel it? What about all the people who experience the exact opposite of freedom? Is God doing that so we can enjoy ours by seeing how much worse life could be? That's basically ruling by fear.

Do animals also get to go to heaven? Because if not, that's not very nice.

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There's no argument for or against God, as there really isn't any credible evidence either way.

Seriously. The absolute plethora of religions in this world is rather enlightening when it comes to the question of whether any single one of them is actually right... If there is some God/Godhead in the Universe, it's probably having a good laugh at all the morons on Earth pretending theirs is the proper path to God, and all others are blasphemers or infidels.

Arguing over the existence of God is the most pointless mental masturbation possible. There is no argument. God is a theory without evidence. Could God still exist? Sure. There's no way to prove otherwise. Anything we can think could exist somewhere in the Universe. But that's so fucking irrelevant to living. What a waste of a life to spend pondering something so... utterly unknowable.
There are no monotheistic gods. God sent over 100k prophets to every corner of the Earth and they all preached about the one single God. Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Confucius, Socrates, Krishna, Buddha, among others were all prophets of God. Some people strayed from their teachings and created religions that we see today that were never meant to be. Islam completes the teachings of all these prophets and is the final word of God.
By that logic he could've also sent the Spaghetti Monster to get into the brains of rebellious pre-teens like Claudio.

And I find the Spaghetti Monster's teachings much more agreeable than those of Islam's.
 
Jan 16, 2013
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So you're saying I'm not entitled to my opinion? Isn't that the whole point of this thread? Look at the title, it has a question mark ffs :lol2:

Get out if you don't wanna have a discussion.
So you're just gonna abuse your power and infract me? Well i'm calling all the other mods to investigate this utter bullshit. I'm not getting infracted for doing nothing and certainly not by a blind and narrow-minded religious person. @x @Mark @Salvo @Marty @swag @Dule90 @Azzurri7

If you delete this i'll msg every single one of them.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
29,281
Why does God kill newborn babies? Sure, we get freedom but what about all the people who never got to feel it? What about all the people who experience the exact opposite of freedom? Is God doing that so we can enjoy ours by seeing how much worse life could be? That's basically ruling by fear.

Do animals also get to go to heaven? Because if not, that's not very nice.

By that logic he could've also sent the Spaghetti Monster to get into the brains of rebellious pre-teens like Claudio.

And I find the Spaghetti Monster's teachings much more agreeable than those of Islam's.
This brings up a more complex subject but I'll try to summarize it to answer your question. We're judged by what what do with our lives and in the case of a new born baby that passes away he/she hasn't lived long enough to make any decisions whatsoever so they die sinless. I gather from the second part of your first paragraph that you misunderstood what I said. You're confusing the freedom that man gives vs the freedom God gives which is what I was talking about. People who experience the exact opposite of what of freedom are people who's freedom is taken by man, not by God.

Animals have their own purpose which is different from ours. Also animals don't have souls, so they don't go to the heaven or hell as we do.

I'm not entirely surprised you find the teachings of Spaghetti Monster's teachings to be more agreeable because you're informed on each of them equally...which is pretty much nil.

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So you're just gonna abuse your power and infract me? Well i'm calling all the other mods to investigate this utter bullshit. I'm not getting infracted for doing nothing and certainly not by a blind and narrow-minded religious person. @x @Mark @Salvo @Marty @swag @Dule90 @Azzurri7

If you delete this i'll msg every single one of them.
Do what ever you gotta do to make yourself feel better. You're in here just taking the piss. No one else has gotten an infraction, so much for me being a blind and narrow-minded religious person you free open-minded breath of fresh air.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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There are no monotheistic gods. God sent over 100k prophets to every corner of the Earth and they all preached about the one single God. Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Confucius, Socrates, Krishna, Buddha, among others were all prophets of God. Some people strayed from their teachings and created religions that we see today that were never meant to be. Islam completes the teachings of all these prophets and is the final word of God.
If we were talking about something being the final word of God... hypothetically, of course... :lol:

Bahaism is much more likely to be this than any of the main three Abrahamic religions... Islam doesn't in the slightest suggest that Krishna and Buddha and Confucius and Socrates were prophets of God. Any interpretation of scripture to suggest this is the case is blatant misrepresentation of what's actually written in the Qu'ran.

Aside from this. Confucius wasn't teaching a religion but a mostly atheistic philosophy... The same could be argued of Buddha. If you read the earliest Buddhist texts, and research things like Anatta (no soul doctrine) from early teachings... Buddhism is basically a philosophy, only in a slightly less dialectical sense than western philosophy.

Now stop talking nonsense and prove that Islam is the final word of God. Please. :D

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some of the arguments here are funny though :p
:D

That's why I'm here!
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
Moderator
Dec 10, 2004
29,281
If we were talking about something being the final word of God... hypothetically, of course... :lol:

Bahaism is much more likely to be this than any of the main three Abrahamic religions... Islam doesn't in the slightest suggest that Krishna and Buddha and Confucius and Socrates were prophets of God. Any interpretation of scripture to suggest this is the case is blatant misrepresentation of what's actually written in the Qu'ran.

Aside from this. Confucius wasn't teaching a religion but a mostly atheistic philosophy... The same could be argued of Buddha. If you read the earliest Buddhist texts, and research things like Anatta (no soul doctrine) from early teachings... Buddhism is basically a philosophy, only in a slightly less dialectical sense than western philosophy.

Now stop talking nonsense and prove that Islam is the final word of God. Please. :D
The Qur'an states that over 100k prophets were sent. Krishna, Buddha, Confucius, and Socrates are obviously not mentioned but then again only 25 are. Those people are theorized to be prophets based on observation of some of their teachings. I'm not too well versed on this specifically but my point was that many of the monotheistic religions that exist don't preach a different God and that they don't have different/separate beginnings. It's all been a continuation leading up to the last 'law' (Shariat) of God which is the Qur'an. That is the Islamic belief. Some prophets brought the word of God and some as reformers. For example Moses brought the Torah, Zabur (Psalms) to Prophet Daud, Jesus though not a law-bearing prophet did preach some of what is in the Bible, and Prophet Muhammad brought the last word of God in the Qur'an.

"Surely, We have sent revelation to thee, as We sent revelation to Noah and the Prophets after him; and We sent revelation to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and his children and to Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and We gave David a Book." (4:164)

"He has sent down to thee the Book containing the truth and fulfilling that which precedes it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel" (3:4)
It's kinda hard for me to prove to you it's the final word of God if you don't believe in the first :D Every prophet served a specific purpose and at times were sent to a specific group of people (e.g. Jesus was sent to the Bani Israil, i.e. the Israelites). Prophet Muhammad was unique in that he was sent for all of mankind and with him the final word of God for all of making was revealed.

"This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion" (5:4)
 

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