Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (129 Viewers)

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Lilith

Immortelle
May 19, 2006
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Seriously, playing football with hijabs. You guys are crazy. Where does it stop? Will the Scottish be allowed to wear kilts? Religion should be kept personal. Practice it in church or at home.
I seriously do not think that wearing a kilt is the same as wearing a hijab. The hijab is required in some religions. The people wearing them cannot take them off in public for anything, how can you ask them to take for a game? I think it's discrimination not to allow it. You may be denying the next Zidane a chance at a career simply because you don't think she should be wearing a piece of cloth over her head?
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
I seriously do not think that wearing a kilt is the same as wearing a hijab. The hijab is required in some religions. The people wearing them cannot take them off in public for anything, how can you ask them to take for a game? I think it's discrimination not to allow it. You may be denying the next Zidane a chance at a career simply because you don't think she should be wearing a piece of cloth over her head?
You're missing the point. Sport is supposed to be about equality, about breaking down barriers between nationalities, cultures etc. Everyone else has already agreed to give up all their very important personal marks of distinction like jewelry, animal bone through your nose, carrying a sword if you're royalty and so on. Anyone whatsoever has an equally legitimate claim that they must necessarily wear or carry something at all times, at any cost.

That's what the rationale of this Fifa rule is.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,524
I seriously do not think that wearing a kilt is the same as wearing a hijab. The hijab is required in some religions. The people wearing them cannot take them off in public for anything, how can you ask them to take for a game? I think it's discrimination not to allow it. You may be denying the next Zidane a chance at a career simply because you don't think she should be wearing a piece of cloth over her head?
Yeah, because the next Zidane will be a woman :howler:

And yeah, as Martin said, it's not discrimination.

And Deneb, headwear is kinda personal but most people wear it as fashion. I'm not saying to ban hijabs from the streets though, just from games.
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
23,327
That is true, but then that only applies to Saudi Arabia and Iran, and i already said many times i was against these kind of laws. What would you do, if say, the Jordanian Womens team wanted to wear head scarves?
I personally would be against it, however, with the caveat that it also means no crucifixes or any shite like that to be worn on the pitch. The main problem is that 'political' is too general a term to apply strict bye-laws based on it. For example, I consider a Hijab or a Star of David as a 'political statement' as under a modern definition of 'political statement' that is a statement than promotes a particular ideology, wearing a religious symbol in while representing your country in inherently political.

In short, although there is strong link between theocracy and political statements which is plain to see and other democratic or monarchic systems may not be overtly making a statement though using religious symbols, the making of a statement in inevitable. 'I belong to Jesus' is a political statement and should be banned IMO.
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
23,327
because representing your country in the first place is not the most political thing you can do
Represent your federation not the state that contains your federation.

This


Is not the state seal of the United Kingdom.


You make a valid point, but it's assuming that the private international sport of Association Football and its governing body operate under the same rules as Sovereign States and their Citizens. Keep in mind that 'any' political statement could mean Clint Dempsey wearing a t-shirt for an Angolan presidential candidate.
 

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