Cristiano Ronaldo (139 Viewers)

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
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These retards forget that without him, we wouldn’t have won Serie A last season and would be in around 7th place this season.

He isn’t the problem. Constructing a horrible team around him is the issue. And don’t blame it on his wages. A good DS would find young, hungry and cheaper options that Rabiot and Ramsey and the likes to provide the man a better midfield so he isn’t constantly feeding off scraps.
My dad said it best when he scored the first 'half your team just scored'. We'd be out of the race for CHL if it wasn't for this guy.
 

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FlavioJuve

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Jun 6, 2007
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His costs and the fact that he ‘dictates’ a certain game style (like he rarely contributes in defence) makes him part of the problem, yes
His costs makes that we can not provide him with improvements in other areas
Maybe you don’t agree with me but the way I see it:
Juve with CR: bad teamplay, CR makes almost all goals, CL QF is top of where we can get (based on 3 seasons here)
Juve pre CR: wholesome teamplay; decent amount of goals, distributed amongst more players, CL odds better

If you prefer to look on the isolated figure of CR please do so but as I mentioned before, we will not win CL with CR
CR has been invisible more than once, so not just last Wednesday. And not just this season. But that’s OK, that happens to all players, even world class players.
My comments are about the whole period of his stay here and are off course accumulated after last Wednesday.
His stats are not telling the team’s story. And if we want to progress our team play in the long run (and therefore performance in CL) we should part ways with CR. Only that way we can rebuild a team that had a shot at CL in maybe 2, 3 or 4 years from now.
Also, now we might be able to actually properly sell him
If we put all our eggs into one basket, the basket will sure look amazing!
But if the basket does not give us anything more than the multiple baskets gave us, and even less to some degree, should we still continu with the one and only basket?
Especially if that one basket is ageing and has some wholes in it and we see that some eggs are falling on the floor?
It’s not his fault. Pointing him out for being the only person to do his job is simply arbitrary. Ronaldo is the only exciting thing about this team, even at his age and with his wage bill. If anything, Ronaldo is the victim of a poor management, the same applies to other players and the coach. Offloading him will not resolve our midfield issues or our coache’s lack of experience.

He is a great athlete and an absolute winner, he provide us the CL trophy when our management provides him with the appropriate resources on and off the field.


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No synergy in the team= changes are needed
Keeping CR= no improvement of synergy
 

Mokku

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Apr 17, 2019
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When we did have a fully functioning peak team that went up against Barcelona and Madrid, having Ronaldo then would've won us those 2 CL titles because he would've been that little extra something that we needed. Until we get that midfield sorted we need to keep Ronaldo or we'll slide into mediocrity fast.
 

FlavioJuve

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Jun 6, 2007
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When we did have a fully functioning peak team that went up against Barcelona and Madrid, having Ronaldo then would've won us those 2 CL titles because he would've been that little extra something that we needed. Until we get that midfield sorted we need to keep Ronaldo or we'll slide into mediocrity fast.
I’d love a team full mediocre players that work well together. That should be a great outlook (for CL as well) and a base for long term progress.
 

Mokku

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Apr 17, 2019
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I’d love a team full mediocre players that work well together. That should be a great outlook (for CL as well) and a base for long term progress.
No, you can't win anything with mediocre players. Even Chelsea and Porto had some outstanding players when they won CL, surrounded by good players but not mediocre by any means. Solid teams with some magic players like Drogba, Lampard, Deco, Carvalho and so many other excellent performers - we are only comparable in defence but not midfield or attack considering that only Ronaldo scores. We need that quality midfield to make this team work together.
 

FlavioJuve

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Jun 6, 2007
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No, you can't win anything with mediocre players. Even Chelsea and Porto had some outstanding players when they won CL, surrounded by good players but not mediocre by any means. Solid teams with some magic players like Drogba, Lampard, Deco, Carvalho and so many other excellent performers - we are only comparable in defence but not midfield or attack considering that only Ronaldo scores. We need that quality midfield to make this team work together.
We might not win next year, true. I am not saying that. But with CR here we will not win CL either, we'll just be defeated by a team of medicore players like the last 3 years. In the long term keeping CR here will not do any good. We have performed worse as a team since he came here, that's fact. That will not change if he stays, so in order to have a long term outlook on getting back to winning ways, we need to part.
We wouldn't have won the match against cagliari without him. Let that sink in... Our team is that poor and tired.. kulu and morata were poor..
You don't know. we can only immage what our team looked like without CR and maybe the whole was in synsergy.
The only thing that the Cagliari match showed is that someone needs to piss of CR before each match.
 

Adrian

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Jan 31, 2003
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wait we criticizing that he doesn't defend.

man i don't remember us ever critisizing del piero cuz he didn't put a defensive shift in.
And a hundreds of other greats in the past.

Why are people trying to justify a ronaldo sale based on his performances or how he impacts the team? The justification is purely financial...we have no money and he costs 60m before taxes.

If we had money we'd bring in 3 world class midfielders and win the treble with ronaldo leading with 50 goals followed by dybala with 30 goals.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Even if his wages are a problem for this club currently, and hamper their ability to sign proven, top players to surround him with, that’s not Ronaldo’s fault in the slightest. That’s on our incompetent management for not realizing this before signing him. He’s lived up to expectations easy peasy. It’s our management that has failed him hard.
40% salary decrease and a 3 year extention :tuttosport:
 

petersmit

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Mar 14, 2006
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A conclusion based on what? We won very convincingly against Lazio without him...
Conclusion based on watching the entire match. We weren't that good. We certainly can't do without Ronaldo for an entire season. Selling him would give us what... 29M? Can't buy shit for that money. The wages would decline massively.. true that.. but we can't buy a WC striker in the next mercato one way or another
 

Arcticdaly

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Oct 3, 2018
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A conclusion based on what? We won very convincingly against Lazio without him...
But yet we won one game out of the 4 or 5 games he missed with covid vs some the worst teams like crotone and even spezia he had to come off the bench to win us the game which I's a much bigger sample size then one match vs lazio where we should of 2 or 3 goals down in first half alone.
 

FlavioJuve

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Jun 6, 2007
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People really don't seem to understand that CR has an large impact on the team, both positive as well as negative. In most matches CR was rested we saw some nice link-ups between players, like Kulu, Ramsey and Chiesa, for instence the first 30 minutes against Genuao or against Lazio last week. With CR playing most games, we could never test what would come out of those link-ups for a longer period as the way we play is drastically different when CR plays.
You can not state we will play bad without CR for a whole season because no-one knows. The last time we played a whole season without CR we were still the scudetto and coppa winners, and players like Dybala and Higuain scored +50 goals together.
We might get back to that form without CR. But with CR for the 21/22 season, I foresee a copy-paste of this season.
Would we be kicked out of CL by Dortmund if we have not CR? Don't know, but I'm interested to find out.
Would we be kicked out of CL by Dortmund with CR? Based on the last seasons, that's really likely.
 

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