Cristiano Ronaldo (144 Viewers)

Tomate

Senior Member
Jul 19, 2014
680
Build around Ronaldo? He's 37 years old in February FFS! We've had him for three years and our results on the pitch have regressed. We have deteriorated. Facts!

We reached 2 CL Finals without Ronaldo.
The team is not going to be better next season without Ronaldo, that's the point. It will take a couple of years of smart deals to get back to being a team that can reach a final, again with or without Ronaldo.

Getting rid of Ronaldo doesn't mean the club is suddenly swimming in cash by the way, most of that money would be needed to find a replacement in a market where there aren't a lot of options,, but there is immense competition for those options. It shouldn't be underestimated as well as how much of the increase in sponsorship money in the past 3 years can be contributed to Ronaldo, it remains unclear how stable that level of income will be over the next couple of years without Ronaldo.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
The team is not going to be better next season without Ronaldo, that's the point. It will take a couple of years of smart deals to get back to being a team that can reach a final, again with or without Ronaldo.

Getting rid of Ronaldo doesn't mean the club is suddenly swimming in cash by the way, most of that money would be needed to find a replacement in a market where there aren't a lot of options,, but there is immense competition for those options. It shouldn't be underestimated as well as how much of the increase in sponsorship money in the past 3 years can be contributed to Ronaldo, it remains unclear how stable that level of income will be over the next couple of years without Ronaldo.
I'd be fine getting rid of Ronaldo, struggle in attack for a year if it guaranteed we got Haaland after next season. That would be worth another year of struggling.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
As someone rightly pointed out, I don't think there's any club right now that would pay the required €30M transfer fee and his €30M wages so I think he's definitely sticking around for another year.

If we have to look at the positives this season, our front trio of Chiesa-Ronaldo-Morata have been one of our brighter spots so let's stick with that for another year atleast.

But absolutely no to selling Ronaldo if we can't get a prolific goalscorer. His overall gameplay is eroding quickly but his numbers don't lie. He's still a guarantee to give you 30 goals a season and for that alone he should be kept for another year.
Is the Chinese/Arabian market still big spenders post covid? Surely they have the money. Either that or MLS.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
35,114
Is the Chinese/Arabian market still big spenders post covid? Surely they have the money. Either that or MLS.
Why would Ronaldo, who can still score 30 goals a season in a highly competitive league wind down his career in middle east or China?

I mean I understand the desperation to sell Ronaldo but people need to make some sense. You guys want to offload a guaranteed 30 goal a season output and expect a non existent, injury prone Dybala to suddenly start firing on all cylinders again and an inconsistent Morata to replicate Ronaldo's goal output?

This would be on the same level of stupidity of going from Allegri to Sarri to Pirlo.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
35,114
Why can't we find young strikers that scan score 25+ goals a season? Why can clubs all over Europe discover them but we can't?
That is for Tici and the scouts to figure out.

Also we could somewhat compromise in attack if we had goals coming from midfield but we don't have that either.

When we reached 2 finals, we had Tevez and Higuain carrying the goalscoring burden. They gave you guaranteed amount of goals. With Morata and Dybala, I just can't trust them to lead the line as effectively as we wish to.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
Why would Ronaldo, who can still score 30 goals a season in a highly competitive league wind down his career in middle east or China?

I mean I understand the desperation to sell Ronaldo but people need to make some sense. You guys want to offload a guaranteed 30 goal a season output and expect a non existent, injury prone Dybala to suddenly start firing on all cylinders again and an inconsistent Morata to replicate Ronaldo's goal output?

This would be on the same level of stupidity of going from Allegri to Sarri to Pirlo.
It doesn’t matter what I want. As you said yourself he’s not gonna want to end his career those leagues. At least not yet.

I’ve wanted to let Dybala go for two seasons now. But my fear would be the same if Ronaldo left which is we won’t find the right replacements. We’d spend that money on gambles.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
125,392
It doesn’t matter what I want. As you said yourself he’s not gonna want to end his career those leagues. At least not yet.

I’ve wanted to let Dybala go for two seasons now. But my fear would be the same if Ronaldo left which is we won’t find the right replacements. We’d spend that money on gambles.
:fab2::pavel:
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
36,923
I love Cris, but all I know is that Bernabeu would boo the shit out of him for the whole rest of season for a performance like last night and you know what? he would actually work his ass off to make it up to them.

Thats why you either perform for them or GTFO. Thats how theyve won so much. The more we keep putting players on pedestal instead of demanding top performances all the time, the more mediocre we will keep being.
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
Ronaldo is not stopping us from signing anyone.

The summer we bought him we bought Cancelo for a big fee and gave big wages to Can.

Summer after we gave huge wages to Rabiot and Ramsey and signed De Ligt for a huge fee and wages, signed Arthur for huge fee and wages, signed Demiral, Danilo, Chiesa, Morata, McKennie. Signed Khedira, Matuidi and Mario to new contracts and could afford to cut ties with them soon after.

Finances are not the problem. Bad planning and spending money literally everywhere else but midfield is.
I've highlighted every midfielder we have signed post-Ronaldo

Can - free
Rabiot - free
Ramsey - free
McKennie - 18m or something
Arthur - the big transfer fee was a money laundering scheme with Barca, in reality we only paid like 20m tops

It's pretty clear that we are penny-pinching hard in midfield to accommodate for his wages.
 

IlCapitano

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2012
5,614
I've highlighted every midfielder we have signed post-Ronaldo

Can - free
Rabiot - free
Ramsey - free
McKennie - 18m or something
Arthur - the big transfer fee was a money laundering scheme with Barca, in reality we only paid like 20m tops

It's pretty clear that we are penny-pinching hard in midfield to accommodate for his wages.
Those players were not free. Can's sing on fee was 16m or something, cannot imagine Ramsey and Rabiot were (much) lower.

McKennie and Arthur were more than 40m together plus huge wages for Arthur.

And midfield signings only do not determine that.

We spent 40m on Cancelo the summer we signed him, then 80m on De Ligt, 18m on Demiral, Chiesa and Morata not on cheap loans, gave money to Matuidi, Higuain, Mario and Khedira just to leave etc. Kulusevski for 44.

We changed 80% of the team in two years ffs, this is not a team that is penny pinching. We were never the richest, but there is no way we could not have spent 100m or so on midfield. We just decided not to and spend it in other positions.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,820
Those players were not free. Can's sing on fee was 16m or something, cannot imagine Ramsey and Rabiot were (much) lower.

McKennie and Arthur were more than 40m together plus huge wages for Arthur.

And midfield signings only do not determine that.

We spent 40m on Cancelo the summer we signed him, then 80m on De Ligt, 18m on Demiral, Chiesa and Morata not on cheap loans, gave money to Matuidi, Higuain, Mario and Khedira just to leave etc. Kulusevski for 44.

We changed 80% of the team in two years ffs, this is not a team that is penny pinching. We were never the richest, but there is no way we could not have spent 100m or so on midfield. We just decided not to and spend it in other positions.
Wow. Looking at the names and fees you've listed. We've made some REALLY bad transfers recently.
 

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