Cristiano Ronaldo (88 Viewers)

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,470
Nope nope nope nope. Not this again.

Arthur was a money laundering scheme. His transfer just shows how desperate we are financially.

All our midfielders combined (Arthur, Bentancur, Rabiot, Ramsey, McKennie) command a total transfer fee of approximately 40m, or 9m per midfielder on average.
@s4tch is right, bro. Took me a while to understand.
 

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AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,806
Let's see, 2018 was the summer we bought Ronaldo. At that point we were a team that was close to the top, so we added Ronaldo to make that difference. That summer we had:

Szczesny
MDS Benatia Chiellini AS
Cuads Khedira Pjanic Matuidi
Dybala Higuain

Buffon
Licht Caldara Rugani Spina
DC Bentancur Sturaro Asamoah
Berna Mandzu

So we let Buffon, Asa (to inter of all teams), Licht walk. We got Cancelo so we had the Licht departure covered. Asa was replaced already by Spinazzola so that's also OK. We paid 14M for a backup keeper even though we got the last two for free who were more proven arguably (Neto, Szczesny). Khedira was kinda finished so instead of going for a reinforcement we got a freebie in Can (who was expensive too at 16M and 5M wages), who was rotation level for us. But then we spent 35M on a CB (Bonucci) while we let inter get De Vrij for free. We failed to sell Higuain in the same transaction that liberated Milan from Bonucci and his heavy wages and gave them a (at that time) promising young domestic CB to pair with Romagnoli, so that's another failure

Szczesny
Cancelo Bonucci Chiellini AS
Can Pjanic Matuidi
Dybala Mandzukic Ronaldo

Perin
MDS Benatia Rugani Spina
Cuadrado Khedira Bentancur DC
Berna Kean

We lost to Ajax due to injuries and fatigue. We lost Benatia and replaced him with a Caceres who hasn't played in a while, so when Chiellini went down it left us with a not ready Rugani to step in. In the summer we got De Ligt and Demiral so that's a good fix there, but the midfield was still bad. Ramsey and Rabiot for free were decent additions, if we had a starting midfield in place and needed depth. But we overpaid in wages and will have trouble selling now. We decided to ruin the one area we actually fixed successfully, so we sold both Cancelo and Spinazzola. Danilo was a expensive replacement himself and right now even when he's good, he looks the best away from the RB position in midfield or at CB. We got Pellegrini as well, but he might never play here. We also spent some 30M on Romero, another guy that was never to play here. Then we loaned out our 14M backup keeper and brought back Buffon, who we just let walk a summer before. Higuain was back as well and Kean was plusvalenzaed. Then we told Mandzu he wont play anymore when the season begun, instead of selling him before. And we sold Can in January because we couldn't sell Matuidi or Khedira, then spent 40M on a 19 yo winger who so far hasn't lived up to his potential.

Szczesny
Cuads De Ligt Bonucci AS
Ramsey Pjanic Rabiot
Dybala Higuain Ronaldo

Buffon
Danilo Demiral Rugani Chiellini MDS
Khedira Bentancur Matuidi
Berna DC

Which leads us to the last summer, we terminated contracts of the expensive old guys we failed to sell in previous mercatos, Higuain and Matuidi (Sami in January), we raised plusvalenza on our best mid just to overpay for another mid, younger worse version of himself, got a unproven kid from Schalke who could end up costing us up to 30M. Chiesa was a great deal even at 60M and Morata was a good panic buy after we failed to land Dzeko or Suarez (but could potentially cost us 50M as a 30yo with a sickness, if our option is a gentlemans obligation). And most importantly we experimented with coaches along the way.


tl;dr we downgraded ourselves annually, and we spent big money on the way of doing it. How we did it? By looking at random market opportunities and fishing for plusvalenza instead of focusing on building/retaining a functional team once we landed Ronaldo. The guy has nothing to do with it, it's the fools making those random deals that are at fault
Paratici needs to be brought up on terrorism charges, there is no other way.
 

sgjuveboy

Senior Member
Oct 31, 2012
2,723
Cassano should shut the f up.
STD infested retard whose agent managed to convince the world that he is a wonder kid, only for him to flop and have the most mediocre career of all time.
Croissant cum whore addict like this should keep Cr7’s name out of his mouth.

Wish that CR7 son grows up and date cassano’s daughter, make her pregnant with triplets and then leave her.
 

Adrian

Senior Member
Jan 31, 2003
6,872
Has to be stated that not all players want to join juventus. Names are thrown around in these forums like we are the best team in the world and every player wants to be living in Turin and playing for us. Doesn't work that way.

The reality is covid has raped us financially. Any chance of having ronaldo and further investing in the team, in particular the midfield was shot down once covid hit.

Now we have an out of whack salary list where ronaldo sits on the top earning what several players do in an era where we can't afford to maintain that salary.

What I will say is that if ronaldo left the club, I would certainly hope to see others leave and free up more cash. Right now rabiot ramsey sandro and even bonucci don't merit their salaries. All of these players can replaced with better quality qt similar salaries, possibly even less.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,859
Let's see, 2018 was the summer we bought Ronaldo. At that point we were a team that was close to the top, so we added Ronaldo to make that difference. That summer we had:

Szczesny
MDS Benatia Chiellini AS
Cuads Khedira Pjanic Matuidi
Dybala Higuain

Buffon
Licht Caldara Rugani Spina
DC Bentancur Sturaro Asamoah
Berna Mandzu

So we let Buffon, Asa (to inter of all teams), Licht walk. We got Cancelo so we had the Licht departure covered. Asa was replaced already by Spinazzola so that's also OK. We paid 14M for a backup keeper even though we got the last two for free who were more proven arguably (Neto, Szczesny). Khedira was kinda finished so instead of going for a reinforcement we got a freebie in Can (who was expensive too at 16M and 5M wages), who was rotation level for us. But then we spent 35M on a CB (Bonucci) while we let inter get De Vrij for free. We failed to sell Higuain in the same transaction that liberated Milan from Bonucci and his heavy wages and gave them a (at that time) promising young domestic CB to pair with Romagnoli, so that's another failure

Szczesny
Cancelo Bonucci Chiellini AS
Can Pjanic Matuidi
Dybala Mandzukic Ronaldo

Perin
MDS Benatia Rugani Spina
Cuadrado Khedira Bentancur DC
Berna Kean

We lost to Ajax due to injuries and fatigue. We lost Benatia and replaced him with a Caceres who hasn't played in a while, so when Chiellini went down it left us with a not ready Rugani to step in. In the summer we got De Ligt and Demiral so that's a good fix there, but the midfield was still bad. Ramsey and Rabiot for free were decent additions, if we had a starting midfield in place and needed depth. But we overpaid in wages and will have trouble selling now. We decided to ruin the one area we actually fixed successfully, so we sold both Cancelo and Spinazzola. Danilo was a expensive replacement himself and right now even when he's good, he looks the best away from the RB position in midfield or at CB. We got Pellegrini as well, but he might never play here. We also spent some 30M on Romero, another guy that was never to play here. Then we loaned out our 14M backup keeper and brought back Buffon, who we just let walk a summer before. Higuain was back as well and Kean was plusvalenzaed. Then we told Mandzu he wont play anymore when the season begun, instead of selling him before. And we sold Can in January because we couldn't sell Matuidi or Khedira, then spent 40M on a 19 yo winger who so far hasn't lived up to his potential.

Szczesny
Cuads De Ligt Bonucci AS
Ramsey Pjanic Rabiot
Dybala Higuain Ronaldo

Buffon
Danilo Demiral Rugani Chiellini MDS
Khedira Bentancur Matuidi
Berna DC

Which leads us to the last summer, we terminated contracts of the expensive old guys we failed to sell in previous mercatos, Higuain and Matuidi (Sami in January), we raised plusvalenza on our best mid just to overpay for another mid, younger worse version of himself, got a unproven kid from Schalke who could end up costing us up to 30M. Chiesa was a great deal even at 60M and Morata was a good panic buy after we failed to land Dzeko or Suarez (but could potentially cost us 50M as a 30yo with a sickness, if our option is a gentlemans obligation). And most importantly we experimented with coaches along the way.


tl;dr we downgraded ourselves annually, and we spent big money on the way of doing it. How we did it? By looking at random market opportunities and fishing for plusvalenza instead of focusing on building/retaining a functional team once we landed Ronaldo. The guy has nothing to do with it, it's the fools making those random deals that are at fault
Good post, but disagreed about Ramsey and Rabiot being decent additions, they both have essentially flopped. When all our mids are healthy (which is never lol), I believe McKennie-Arthur-Bentancur is the starting midfield. From what we've seen from them, I'd say both McKennie and Arthur were good deals, Rabiot turned out to be a bad signing and Ramsey has been a real waste of money
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
Ramsey and Rabiot haven't been decent additions - they've been nothing short of disappointing at best and absolute abominations, garbage, trash at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Arthur is ok for now, but he isn't a good deal. He has to do a lot more to justify that.

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Ramsey and Rabiot haven't been decent additions - they've been nothing short of disappointing at best and absolute abominations, garbage, trash at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Arthur is ok for now, but he isn't a good deal. He has to do a lot more to justify that.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Good post, but disagreed about Ramsey and Rabiot being decent additions, they both have essentially flopped. When all our mids are healthy (which is never lol), I believe McKennie-Arthur-Bentancur is the starting midfield. From what we've seen from them, I'd say both McKennie and Arthur were good deals, Rabiot turned out to be a bad signing and Ramsey has been a real waste of money
Ramsey been the most disappointing for me. Between being unable to stay fit, and then never being in form when fit aside from brief flashes, he’s a shell of the player that was UEFA team of the tournament and leading assist man in 2016, and had 11 goals-12 assists in 2500’ for arsenal in 2017-18, just one year from his move here. Disastrous signing given his wages.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,859
Ramsey and Rabiot haven't been decent additions - they've been nothing short of disappointing at best and absolute abominations, garbage, trash at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Arthur is ok for now, but he isn't a good deal. He has to do a lot more to justify that.

- - - Updated - - -

Ramsey and Rabiot haven't been decent additions - they've been nothing short of disappointing at best and absolute abominations, garbage, trash at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Arthur is ok for now, but he isn't a good deal. He has to do a lot more to justify that.
Of course, but I think Arthur has settled in rather well in Serie A and Pjanic has continued his downward spiral in Barca, making it look like a good deal for us given what we've seen so far.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,740
Can't remember Pjanic make a stupid pass like Arthur in the last game.
i remember one: vs verona last season

arthur has already two against benevento only :baus:

btw i consider it partly as a coaching/tactical error. remember sandro doing the same mistake vs milan last season? he never did it under allegri, and i can't remember arthur doing it at barca either. we are trying to play more from the back and it requires changing sides, doing careful sideways passes, but if you're not used to it, you can easily fuck it up. this is something new for arthur, pirlo even defended him ("uncharacteristic, but he couldn't see the guy because of bonucci" instead of saying "don't do shit like this", so this is probably a part of our gameplay). i still expect similar problems under pressing in the near future.

as for arthur (and every other player for that matter), we should play for his strengths, and long passes isn't among his best skills. he's a fine holding mid, that's all. (and that's why i wouldn't really play him in a 2-man mid within our current squad, but that's an other matter)
 
Jun 7, 2003
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i remember one: vs verona last season

arthur has already two against benevento only :baus:

btw i consider it partly as a coaching/tactical error. remember sandro doing the same mistake vs milan last season? he never did it under allegri, and i can't remember arthur doing it at barca either. we are trying to play more from the back and it requires changing sides, doing careful sideways passes, but if you're not used to it, you can easily fuck it up. this is something new for arthur, pirlo even defended him ("uncharacteristic, but he couldn't see the guy because of bonucci" instead of saying "don't do shit like this", so this is probably a part of our gameplay). i still expect similar problems under pressing in the near future.

as for arthur (and every other player for that matter), we should play for his strengths, and long passes isn't among his best skills. he's a fine holding mid, that's all. (and that's why i wouldn't really play him in a 2-man mid within our current squad, but that's an other matter)
It's the first thing you learn when you begin playing football, "Don't do cross passes in front of the own goal". It can't be a coaching or tactical error.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
It's the first thing you learn when you begin playing football, "Don't do cross passes in front of the own goal". It can't be a coaching or tactical error.
It's the inverse on the other side in attack :lol:

"Do not pass crosses into the box". You whip them in yet here we are...struggling for years at crossing...something's that taught when you begin playing football.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
Good post, but disagreed about Ramsey and Rabiot being decent additions, they both have essentially flopped. When all our mids are healthy (which is never lol), I believe McKennie-Arthur-Bentancur is the starting midfield. From what we've seen from them, I'd say both McKennie and Arthur were good deals, Rabiot turned out to be a bad signing and Ramsey has been a real waste of money
At the time they were, IF we had a midfield already. They are solid as depth for rotation at a top club, same as Emre Can. Ramsey should have been like adding Pereyra to MVPP, not being the MVPP. But both are on too high wages for this kind of role, atleast for us
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,859
At the time they were, IF we had a midfield already. They are solid as depth for rotation at a top club, same as Emre Can. Ramsey should have been like adding Pereyra to MVPP, not being the MVPP. But both are on too high wages for this kind of role, atleast for us
exactly, so they were not decent additions when you think about them as starters. Rabiot at the time was a soft player who had missed a season due to conflict with his club and Ramsey was as injury prone as anyone in a club and a league that play almost a different sport compared to Juve and Serie A.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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Quotes from portuguese pundits

"In Ronaldo's absence, Portugal play in a more relaxed and uncomplicated way, especially because there isn't a reference around who is actually bigger than the team. The pieces fit together naturally. With Ronaldo, the rest of the players seem to have their decision-making unconsciously affected by the need to pass the ball to him."
"The truth is that any team that faces Portugal nowadays knows that most of the balls are addressed to Ronaldo. Even though you have players like Felix, Jota, Bernardo and others like Pedro Neto coming through, you don't see much of that unpredictability that they are capable of providing with their clubs through line-breaking passes and in one-on-one situations.
 

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