Cristiano Ronaldo (155 Viewers)

[Hydde]

Nonsense. Higuain was a very good player for us. Costa was also good and important in big games, too bad he was always injured. Berna on the other hand, yeah he was the worst investment ever since Amauri.

Debatable. At least we can count on dumb berna to play. Costa was always always injured, specially for KO games.

 

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[ilmetronome]

We would have been invested big money in mid on last summer if there were'nt extraordinary situation named covid. We had 300M from capital investment from shareholder last year. Some of them was supposed to be invested in transfer but covid ruin everything. Romano himself believe we would have been bought pogba.
Now "the ronaldo project" need to be evaluated again. I don't know which one management choose but i believe our only option to save this club besides new coach is to sell ronaldo or dybala. We need to buy players we necessarily need espescially in mid.

If we decide to hire max again, i am certain ronaldo will go. He can't bear pragmatic approach againts small club. He want to score as much as he can. How many times he look mad at many chances we had but team decided to backpass and dont have the desire to attack anymore after one or two goal lead.

 

[Hydde]

Now i have no doubts that he will be sold.

In this dire times, and with the ineptitude/urgency reigning in the management.... theres no 2 ways about it. We will have to reorganize the team at his expense. We are in the year 3 and the ronaldo experiment is as fail as ever.

The outcome to reinvest and rearm the team is clear IMO. And is sad because he has been a victim of our imcompetence. Such a proffesional and talented player victim on this cursed loser team.

 

[Pegi]

Hope he leaves in the summer. He's burden.
In three years less than 100 goals, and around 200m in salary, plus buying price 100m, he cost Juve 3m per goal. Great business

Should have done the calculations on the day when he was signed. Would have been 100m for 0 goals.

 

[Nedved96]

Imagine if instead of paying north of 100m for MDS, Rugani, Costa, Berna, 4th GK who's not even in the team, Dybala who's been useless for 3 years, renewing contracts to Matuidi, Khedira and Mario then paying them to leave short thereafter, giving huge contracts to Arthur, Ramsey and Rabiot we actually spent that money on Barella, Gosens, Aouar, Locatelli?

EVERY club gets transfers wrong. EVERY club gets some right and some wrong.

I have praised Liverpool and Klopp many times for building a fantastic team on a budget similar to ours, but they still got some transfers wrong (60m on Keita, 40m on Oxlade-Chamberlain)

In your ideal world - where Juve nailed every transfer - then yes it is theoretically it is possible for Juve to build a top club around Ronaldo.

The problem is that the enormous Ronaldo investment of 345m gives us significantly less flexibility in the transfer market.

 

[IlCapitano]

EVERY club gets transfers wrong. EVERY club gets some right and some wrong.

I have praised Liverpool and Klopp many times for building a fantastic team on a budget similar to ours, but they still got some transfers wrong (60m on Keita, 40m on Oxlade-Chamberlain)

In your ideal world - where Juve nailed every transfer - then yes it is theoretically it is possible for Juve to build a top club around Ronaldo.

The problem is that the enormous Ronaldo investment of 345m gives us significantly less flexibility in the transfer market.

What are you talking about?

I just replied to you saying the same thing. "Imagine if we spent Ronaldo money on this and that..."

It is a flawed logic, but if we're imagining things I'd rather imagine us having Ronaldo AND spending money well instead of not having Ronaldo, spending money and still needing a Ronaldo to make the final jump.

My whole point is: Ronaldo is not the problem. His play is not the problem, his transfer is not the problem, his wages are not the problem. He earns his money off the pitch and on the pitch by doing his job. There are 10-15 others who have no business playing for Juventus and still earn way more than Ronaldo.

 

[Juliano13]

What are you talking about?

I just replied to you saying the same thing. "Imagine if we spent Ronaldo money on this and that..."

It is a flawed logic, but if we're imagining things I'd rather imagine us having Ronaldo AND spending money well instead of not having Ronaldo, spending money and still needing a Ronaldo to make the final jump.

My whole point is: Ronaldo is not the problem. His play is not the problem, his transfer is not the problem, his wages are not the problem. He earns his money off the pitch and on the pitch by doing his job. There are 10-15 others who have no business playing for Juventus and still earn way more than Ronaldo.

So what you are saying is "imagine if we had more money."
Sure would be nice.

 

[Nejc]

He might have been expensive, but that's simply wrong.

Its harsh on Higuain but tbh we got one and a half good seasons out of him at best. Still much better than Costa who lasted less than a season and Berna who had about 3 good games in 4 years.

 

[Nedved96]

You also have transfers of Higuain, Costa and Bernardeschi that cost like 170 million (from memory) in transfer fees alone and contributed jack shit but somehow its the Ronaldo transfer that ruined everything.

Higuain scored more non-penalty goals from 2016-2018 than Ronaldo did from 2018-2020.

 

[Hydde]

What are you talking about?

I just replied to you saying the same thing. "Imagine if we spent Ronaldo money on this and that..."

It is a flawed logic, but if we're imagining things I'd rather imagine us having Ronaldo AND spending money well instead of not having Ronaldo, spending money and still needing a Ronaldo to make the final jump.

My whole point is: Ronaldo is not the problem. His play is not the problem, his transfer is not the problem, his wages are not the problem. He earns his money off the pitch and on the pitch by doing his job. There are 10-15 others who have no business playing for Juventus and still earn way more than Ronaldo.

For a moment, imagine you are paratici. ON one hand, you are suddenly asked to sell douglas costa, rugani, MDS, berna, Ramsey, Betancur, Demiral.... to balance the wagebill..... and on the other hand you have CR7 who put together earns more or less what the other rejects earn. Then you realize by selling ronaldo you can "fix" the salary mess in a flash, instead of losing a whole summer trying selling all the garbage, and that you will ultimately fail at doing that because you are paratici

yes the easy way, that is what paratici will do and thats why he needs to be sacked before he does it.

 

[Bianconero81]

Since joining Juventus, Ronaldo took 72 free-kicks scoring only 1. [La Republica]

That's an incredible conversion rate of 1.4%

 

[IlCapitano]

So what you are saying is "imagine if we had more money."
Sure would be nice.

No, I am just using his logic against him.

I don't have to imagine we had more money, just wishing we spent the one we had better. We would have a top team with Ronaldo.

 

[Nedved96]

I don't have to imagine we had more money, just wishing we spent the one we had better. We would have a top team with Ronaldo.

As I said before, every team gets transfers wrong, but not every team has one player who earns 4 times more than everyone else.

We cannot fix what happened in the past. The fact is that right now, we don't have the money to afford a good midfield while simultaneously paying Ronaldo's wages.

 

[IliveForJuve]

You also have transfers of Higuain, Costa and Bernardeschi that cost like 170 million (from memory) in transfer fees alone and contributed jack shit but somehow its the Ronaldo transfer that ruined everything.

Lmao Pipita single handedly gave us a scudetto, and got us to a CL final.

 

[Lion]

That's an incredible conversion rate of 1.4%

1.4%? i don't get it

 

[IlCapitano]

As I said before, every team gets transfers wrong, but not every team has one player who earns 4 times more than everyone else.

We cannot fix what happened in the past. The fact is that right now, we don't have the money to afford a good midfield while simultaneously paying Ronaldo's wages.

Again, you're directing the blame for not spending or hope for spending more in the future towards Ronaldo. Essentially saying he is the reason we didn't have money to spend on better midfield (false) and selling him will free up more space for that. While the second thing is true, it is conveniently ignoring the fact Ronaldo still does his job and we have at least 10 players who are not, and whom we do not need, earning double what Ronaldo does.

Selling Ronaldo for anything and freeing up those wages would help, no doubt.

But so would simply getting rid of the deadweight taking up space and money and using that to get help for Ronaldo.

I know which one I'd rather do. And any sane person.

 

[Nedved96]

Again, you're directing the blame for not spending or hope for spending more in the future towards Ronaldo. Essentially saying he is the reason we didn't have money to spend on better midfield (false) and selling him will free up more space for that. While the second thing is true, it is conveniently ignoring the fact Ronaldo still does his job and we have at least 10 players who are not, and whom we do not need, earning double what Ronaldo does.

If you sell those 10 players you and up with negative squad depth.

We need players like Bentancur, Rabiot, Bernardeschi, etc... because even if they aren't that good, they are at least reasonably young and injury free. You need players like that for squad depth.

The problem with Juventus right now is that we have an entire team full of squad players and very few genuine stars.

 

[IlCapitano]

If you sell those 10 players you and up with negative squad depth.

We need players like Bentancur, Rabiot, Bernardeschi, etc... because even if they aren't that good, they are at least reasonably young and injury free. You need players like that for squad depth.

The problem with Juventus right now is that we have an entire team full of squad players and very few genuine stars.

No you don't.

Perin, MDS, Rugani, Bernardeschi, Ramsey, Costa, Dybala - that's 7 guys. Either barely playing or out on loans. Would blink twice for any of them. 56m in wages between them, 4 short of Ronaldo. For sure you can get at least 70m for them in transfers/future loan options.

 

[Nedved96]

No you don't.

Perin, MDS, Rugani, Bernardeschi, Ramsey, Costa, Dybala - that's 7 guys. Either barely playing or out on loans. Would blink twice for any of them. 56m in wages between them, 4 short of Ronaldo. For sure you can get at least 70m for them in transfers/future loan options.

You wouldn’t get any transfer fee from Costa, Ramsey, or MDS. You don’t get transfer fees for 30 year old injury prone players. We’d have to terminate their contract. Perin and Rugani would get us 10m at most. Bernardeschi maybe 20m.

As for Dybala, we are a significantly worse team without him. His injury is the reason why we are losing the title this year.

 

[IlCapitano]

You wouldn’t get any transfer fee from Costa, Ramsey, or MDS. You don’t get transfer fees for 30 year old injury prone players. We’d have to terminate their contract. Perin and Rugani would get us 10m at most. Bernardeschi maybe 20m.

As for Dybala, we are a significantly worse team without him, as his injury is the reason to why we are losing the title this year.

Don't have to get anything for them. Just freeing up 60m in wages and getting anything north of 60m in transfer fees would be more than enough.