Cristiano Ronaldo (15 Viewers)

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Every 5v5 sport requires everybody to defend and it's just because it's the name of the game and you can't let other team have 20% more players involved into game in a 5v5 sports by having it at 5v4, but you could do it if it was 50v49 because the difference would just be that 2%. Also, the field in football is way bigger and game lasts 90mins with 3 subs, meanwhile basketball is 48mins with unlimited subs + the game isn't on whole time, so conserving the energy much as possible is the key and since the field is way bigger as well, the coverage around the field becomes way harder as well, so there goes the defensive duties or attacking duties if you're playing either end of the field(defense/attack) and if you did, there's a guy to cover you down there if you went to the attacking zone as a defender and so on.

It's ridiclous to compare basketball to football and even more pathetic to bring up the "defensive duties". Put up a field size of a boxing ring and play 5v5 football and im sure every single player in there would try to block all the possible shots, it just doesn't make sense to bring up the defensive stuff since football has so much bigger field to play on.
Every sport is different so we should just stop comparing athletes altogether then. I specifically said how does Ronaldo fare against fellow forwards instead of how good he is defensively compared to other footballers, since it's more position divided game. So is Ronaldo a elite player in both phases compared to others playing the same position? It's one thing to have "defensive duties", it's a whole nother thing to be elite at it for a decade, while also carrying the offense of your team as well. Jordan was Ronaldo with Mandzukic esque defense and workrate, if you want an accurate translation to football

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I would actually like to see LeBron running fully 90mins in a soccer game or you could bring Jordan as well, it wouldn't matter. Football player could easily play an NBA game as far if we forget the technical abilities, but NBA player couldn't crack it on a football field - and it's a fact and it just proves that if Jordan was able to be mentioned about his defensive duties in basketball.
Saying your opinion, a terrible one at that, and then add it's a fact lol
 
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ALC

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Oct 28, 2010
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Basketball isn't just the NBA. You make it sound like it is.
fair point, but the euro league is a stepping stone for the NBA if you’re lucky, and the Chinese league is an exhibition league.

the NBA is like the champions league with the same teams all the time
 

Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
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Every sport is different so we should just stop comparing athletes altogether then. I specifically said how does Ronaldo fare against fellow forwards instead of how good he is defensively compared to other footballers, since it's more position divided game. So is Ronaldo a elite player in both phases compared to others playing the same position? It's one thing to have "defensive duties", it's a whole nother thing to be elite at it for a decade, while also carrying the offense of your team as well. Jordan was Ronaldo with Mandzukic esque defense and workrate, if you want an accurate translation to football

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Saying your opinion, a terrible one at that, and then add it's a fact lol
Yet alone, we should stop comparing different generations, even if it was from the same sport but it's what sports are all about, connecting the history of the past to today's game and it's what makes it "fun" to look different players and what they have done.

It's getting even more pathetic by bringing Mandzu on this, nothing away from him but his attacking abilities are nowhere where Ronaldo's is, so he has to do something else or let's say, he needs to bring something else on the table since his numbers ain't 50 goals a season for a decade. If you guarantee 50 goals a season in 11v11 game, you get certain freedoms just because there's enough players to cover you. If you score 30 points a game in basketball, you not defending would cause enemy team doing 60 in return - that's the difference. Jordan just did what he was supposed to do, just like everyone else and maybe he was little bit better overall player than anybody else, so it automatically led to him being your so called defensive "genius".
 
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The amount of skill required to play football at the professional level supersedes athletic build and height.

Dexterity can be more easily achieved with one's hands than feet.

I'll go ahead and say that football is harder than basketball. Therefore, football GOATs > basketball GOATs.
Not to mention, football is literally the only activity (besides walking/running) that humans use their feet for. Hands being the go-to instrument... football is definitely the hardest sport.
 

Bianconero81

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Not to mention, football is literally the only activity (besides walking/running) that humans use their feet for. Hands being the go-to instrument... football is definitely the hardest sport.
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Oh wow. 2004 CL. The semis were comprised of Deportivo, Monaco, Porto, and Chelsea :baus: :tup:

We performed admirably that season, losing in the RO16 to Deportivo :touched:

We were absolute trash in the CL in 2004, 2005 and 2006 - losing to Depor, Liverpool and Arsenal in those respective seasons.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Jordan just did what he was supposed to do, just like everyone else and maybe he was little bit better overall player than anybody else, so it automatically led to him being your so called defensive "genius".
There is just too much wrong with this, I don't know if I should even respond.

About Ronaldo and Mandzu, I was just giving you an example but if you insist then how about Cavani or Tevez? Before you start writing what they all lack compared to CR, I was just asking a simple question, is there room for Ronaldo year in year out on a hypothetical all Defensive team? 1st? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? 19th? In the end, he's still GOAT (or one of them, whatever) of football, but stuff like that does matter when you want to put him above athletes of other sports
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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The amount of skill required to play football at the professional level supersedes athletic build and height.

Dexterity can be more easily achieved with one's hands than feet.

I'll go ahead and say that football is harder than basketball. Therefore, football GOATs > basketball GOATs.
yeah Ive never said skill doesnt play major part and I find basketball players more skilled, while physically they would wipe the floor with footballers :) . Claim about dexterity is futile since basketball requires more finesse and precision. There are more facets in basketball game, strategy, movement, quicker decision making, the game is simply more intense physically and mentally, you are required to play at both ends when you are in, etc... Most who played either, will atest to that. You can prefer football as most people do, but you dont need to be deluded.

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There is just too much wrong with this, I don't know if I should even respond.

About Ronaldo and Mandzu, I was just giving you an example but if you insist then how about Cavani or Tevez? Before you start writing what they all lack compared to CR, I was just asking a simple question, is there room for Ronaldo year in year out on a hypothetical all Defensive team? 1st? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? 19th? In the end, he's still GOAT (or one of them, whatever) of football, but stuff like that does matter when you want to put him above athletes of other sports
Jordan was little bit better :lol2:
 
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Jan 17, 2011
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This is laughable. Even if this outlandish claim had any truth in it, it is futile since basketball requires more finesse and precision. I have rarely seen a basketball player shooting from distance with his weaker hand while It is common in football to shoot with weaker foot as there is more room for error. There are more facets in basketball game, movement, quicker decision making, the game is simply more intense physically and mentally, you are required to play at both ends when you are in, etc... Most who played either, will atest to that. You can prefer football as most people do, but you dont need to be deluded.

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Jordan was little bit better :lol2:
We can both play this game and it's gonna be a slippery slope.

Controlling the ball and dribbling with your feet (running at a high speed) is definitely harder than doing so with your hands. Striking volleys, overhead and bicycle kicks is infinitely harder than anything basketball players can do. Yes yes you will come and say that basketball players do this and that.

But the fact remains that football has over 4 billion fans worldwide and a good portion of that trying to become pros. Basketball only has a fraction of that, and it's mostly tall blacks (75%) who make it to the top. Now tell me which sport is more competitive. Obviously the one with more competitors. The bar is raised higher for professional footballers.

Not going to argue that getting into the NBA is not harder than playing for a shitty Serie A team due to the lack of spots and teams (JuveJay made a good argument) but the amount of dedication football players require to reach the absolute top is simply above that one of basketball.
 
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Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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We can both play this game and it's gonna be a slippery slope.

Controlling the ball and dribbling with your feet (running at a high speed) is definitely harder than doing so with your hands. Striking volleys, overhead and bicycle kicks is infinitely harder than anything basketball player can do. Yes yes you will come and say that basketball players do this and that.

But the fact remains that football has over 4 billion fans worldwide and a good portion of that trying to become pros. Basketball only has a fraction of that, and it's mostly tall blacks (75%) who make it to the top. Now tell me which sport is more competitive. Obviously the one with more competitors. The bar is raised higher for professional footballers.

Not going to argue that getting into the NBA is not harder than playing for a shitty Serie A team due to the lack of spots and teams (JuveJay made a good argument) but the amount of dedication football players require to reach the absolute top is simply above that one of basketball.
Striking a voley is harder than double-pump dunk? Most people dont even try because they dont have physical predispositions to succeed in game of basketball. Skill alone wont get you far. While there are plenty of skilled but relatively physically weak football players plying their trade in top clubs. Our own club has a few.. ahm Pjanic ;)
 
Jan 17, 2011
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Striking a voley is harder than double-pump dunk? Most people dont even try because they dont have physical predispositions to succeed in game of basketball. Skill alone wont get you far. While there are plenty of skilled but relatively physically weak football players plying their trade in top clubs. Our own club has a few.. ahm Pjanic ;)
I guess powerlifting is the most competitive sport in the world then.
 

Powis

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Dec 9, 2009
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Striking a voley is harder than double-pump dunk? Most people dont even try because they dont have physical predispositions to succeed in game of basketball. Skill alone wont get you far. While there are plenty of skilled but relatively physically weak football players plying their trade in top clubs. Our own club has a few.. ahm Pjanic ;)
Why you keep mentioning physicality? Muscles don't make you more skillful at what you do. Yes, they're freaking beasts. Freakishly tall and ripped but that doesn't necessarily mean they have more skills than footballers do. I'd understand if we talked about the 90s basketball where hand checking and hard defense was allowed. Then I'd get your point at least because now I don't.

You say basketball requires more precision, I can argue about that. It's easier to control a basketball and throw it into a hole with your hands than make something precise happen with your legs. But yeah, as @IliveForJuve said this discussion will have no end, we can have shitloads of arguments.

Personally, I play both sports and have always found football as more difficult sport to play. Mostly because everything is easier to do with your arms than it is with your legs.
 
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