Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (67 Viewers)

[swag]

i heard December

Wait, are we talking about vaccine evils or when Q says Trump is going to claim the White House again? I've kinda lost track.

Simple. To protect the unvaccinated. (And the vaccinated "at risk" people.)

Well and then there's that public health thingy or other...

The only issue really is when hospitals become overwhelmed and have to start rationing health care like they have been in Idaho. But like covid, even that only really effects older people and less healthy people. And at around 40% vaccinated statewide, it’s hard to argue that this isn’t a majority mandated result.

When that Amtrak derailed in Montana, all I thought was that a mass-casualty incident can become a death sentence. Even if Idaho isn't under a universal DNR until their ventilators are maxed out.

 

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[U Picciriddu]

In Italy it’s obligated to work with a Green Pass from the 15th of this month. Who doesnt take the vaccine, is obligated to take a test every few days and pay for it.

Basically you’ve lost the integrity of your own body there. Some of my family members took the vaccine now, because they simple don’t have a choice. Testing a few times a week consumes to much of their salaries.

 

[Dostoevsky]

In Italy it’s obligated to work with a Green Pass from the 15th of this month. Who doesnt take the vaccine, is obligated to take a test every few days and pay for it.

Basically you’ve lost the integrity of your own body there. Some of my family members took the vaccine now, because they simple don’t have a choice. Testing a few times a week consumes to much of their salaries.

This is fucking insane...

 

[U Picciriddu]

This is fucking insane...

It’s fucking scary. And they present it like it’s a free choice.

 

[Dostoevsky]

It’s fucking scary. And they present it like it’s a free choice.

Braindead people will even defend it.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

It’s fucking scary. And they present it like it’s a free choice.

How is it not a free choice?

 

[ALC]

How is it not a free choice?

It is free choice, it is not free of consequences.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

It is free choice, it is not free of consequences.

Like being robbed at gunpoint lol

 

[Buck Fuddy]

It is free choice, it is not free of consequences.

Yeah, I think I would agree with that.
(Although that is a very harsh rule, obviously.)

If a choice isn’t available to everyone in society (in this case due to carrying a financial burden that not everyone can sustain) is it really free or fair?

In my opinion it isn't, but this is norm rather than the exception in our "free" societies (where more wealth correlates to more freedom).

Yep. Can't argue with that, sadly.

 

[Enron]

In Italy it’s obligated to work with a Green Pass from the 15th of this month. Who doesnt take the vaccine, is obligated to take a test every few days and pay for it.

Basically you’ve lost the integrity of your own body there. Some of my family members took the vaccine now, because they simple don’t have a choice. Testing a few times a week consumes to much of their salaries.

should just move

 

[Dostoevsky]

It’s fucking scary. And they present it like it’s a free choice.

Btw you also need to do QR scan before entering food shop and I think all other places (I know betting places are included).

After this becomes normal, since plenty find it normla, we'll see it become a new thing. That conspiracy that everyone thought to be exaggered will happen daily everywhere.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Btw you also need to do QR scan before entering food shop and I think all other places (I know betting places are included).

After this becomes normal, since plenty find it normla, we'll see it become a new thing. That conspiracy that everyone thought to be exaggered will happen daily everywhere.

Imagine saying in this thread last year that all of this will happen. What do you think the reaction would have been?

 

[ALC]

Like being robbed at gunpoint lol

not quite the same. More like wearing a shirt at a restaurant in order to be served.

vaccination requirements have been a thing in the past, I had to get extra shots to go to school in the states for example.

 

[Enron]

If a choice isn’t available to everyone in society (in this case due to carrying a financial burden that not everyone can sustain) is it really free or fair?

In my opinion it isn't, but this is norm rather than the exception in our "free" societies (where more wealth correlates to more freedom).

one can always simply make more money

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

not quite the same. More like wearing a shirt at a restaurant in order to be served.

vaccination requirements have been a thing in the past, I had to get extra shots to go to school in the states for example.

I'm not gonna go into why the past vaccinations are not comparable because we've done that already.

But a "free choice" does not involve coercion, especially when the consequences are segregation from society.

 

[ALC]

I'm not gonna go into why the past vaccinations are not comparable because we've done that already.

But a "free choice" does not involve coercion, especially when the consequences are segregation from society.

They’re part of society, they just have to show negative test results. Yeah, it’s extreme but it is free choice. People are also free not to have a job or wear clothes but there’s consequences.

Italy went through a rough patch, I’m sure they have their reasons for implementing that policy.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

They’re part of society, they just have to show negative test results. Yeah, it’s extreme but it is free choice. People are also free not to have a job or wear clothes but there’s consequences.

Italy went through a rough patch, I’m sure they have their reasons for implementing that policy.

No doubt.

And you have a free choice not to hand over your watch and wallet, but there's consequences.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Imagine saying in this thread last year that all of this will happen. What do you think the reaction would have been?

You're an idiot who loves conspiracy theories, nobody would want that, that is insane, people would riot.

Yet they all find it normal now.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Btw you also need to do QR scan before entering food shop and I think all other places (I know betting places are included).

After this becomes normal, since plenty find it normla, we'll see it become a new thing. That conspiracy that everyone thought to be exaggered will happen daily everywhere.

In Italy you mean? You can enter the supermarket there, but can’t go in restaurants. Cant enter the train aswel I thought.

So the situation there was basically the same as it is here now (The Netherlands). If someone would ask me to go to the movies after a hour I couldn’t go because I don’t have time to do a test, results will arrive tomorrow. And from this week tests aren’t free anymore if you’re going to fly to another country.

So people who say that it’s a “free decision” are totally ignoring the fact that unvaccinated people in those countries can’t go unexpectedly to restaurants, the movies, etc. You have to plan everything and personally I’m totally not the guy who knows what he’s gonna do next weekend. Basically you’re left out of a part of society.

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They’re part of society, they just have to show negative test results. Yeah, it’s extreme but it is free choice. People are also free not to have a job or wear clothes but there’s consequences.

Italy went through a rough patch, I’m sure they have their reasons for implementing that policy.

Italy is a big country aswel. The north got hit hard. In the south there weren’t any big issues.

Italy got caught by surprise as it was basically the second country/region besides Wuhan where the virus broke out so massively. There wasn’t much information, no planning, etc.

I was at my family at the beginning of the summer and it was one of the few green country’s in Europe. It was like Corona didn’t exist. It’s pretty strange realizing that the government is applying the most severe rules in the European Union. Perhaps with France but I didn’t follow the situation there anymore.

There were reports of people paying up to 20% up their salary for the test, that’s not free anymore. Even a blind man sees that.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Ostracized, Athenian form of punishment