Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (90 Viewers)

[Gian]

I don't know much about Sweden, but whatever they did there seems to be working on the long run like Tegnell always claimed. Even without a lockdown cases are falling rapidly whereas most European countries that are similar like Belgium/Germany/Spain are reporting much higher infection rates and show more signs of a 'second wave'.

 

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[DAiDEViL]

I don't know much about Sweden, but whatever they did there seems to be working on the long run like Tegnell always claimed. Even without a lockdown cases are falling rapidly whereas most European countries that are similar like Belgium/Germany/Spain are reporting much higher infection rates and show more signs of a 'second wave'.

You do the math how many dead people we would possibly have in germany if we followed Swedens model. Hint: It's way more than what we have now.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I don't know much about Sweden, but whatever they did there seems to be working on the long run like Tegnell always claimed. Even without a lockdown cases are falling rapidly whereas most European countries that are similar like Belgium/Germany/Spain are reporting much higher infection rates and show more signs of a 'second wave'.

I can't speak for other countries, but we have retards in charge. Plain and simple.
Rather than actually taking useful matters, those people in charge are hellbent on coming up with all sorts of diversions. As long as it looks like they're doing something, all is great!

And to make matters worse, we can't seem to stop criticizing other countries for the things they are or aren't doing. Seriously, look in the mirror ffs.

 

[DAiDEViL]

That’s what the car dealership where I bought my last car told me while trying to convince me to buy a new car. “Never been a better time. Never been a better deal.”

Are there even streets where you live?

 

[Oggy]

My two close friends and their wives are covid positive, but have very mild symptoms, mostly just fatigue and muscle/bone pain with a low temperature.

I feel mostly fine even though I spent a lot of time with them.
What I hate is autosuggestion I have, I tend to feel weak from time to time, but I think it's mostly because of high temperatures outside (I don't endure those very well), but I'm constantly thinking of Covid. I'm not afraid of the disease, I'm afraid I might get others infected...

 

[Seven]

You do the math how many dead people we would possibly have in germany if we followed Swedens model. Hint: It's way more than what we have now.

Honestly it's very difficult to say. Maybe you have more deaths initially, but fewer later on as you wouldn't have these recurrent waves. In the meantime the economy doesn't plummet and people don't die because they postponed urgent surgeries.

At this point in time it's all anyone's guess really.

With the exception of course that, whatever course you take, communicating dishonestly about what you know and having a shitty healthcare system in general are always going to cause a bad situation.

 

[lgorTudor]

Honestly it's very difficult to say. Maybe you have more deaths initially, but fewer later on as you wouldn't have these recurrent waves. In the meantime the economy doesn't plummet and people don't die because they postponed urgent surgeries.

That conclusion is disregarding many unknown variables that aren't even solved by now, let alone 5 months ago - like how do antibodies behave or does the virus mutate etc. No way could the Swedish path be sold as an educated decision in Germany which is 10 times as densely populated as Sweden


What we should have done is not trust the chinks and WHO in their NOTHING TO SEE HERE narrative and packed everybody into masks and home office in February

 

[Seven]

That conclusion is disregarding many unknown variables that aren't even solved by now, let alone 5 months ago - like how do antibodies behave or does the virus mutate etc. No way could the Swedish path be sold as an educated decision in Germany which is 10 times as densely populated as Sweden


What we should have done is not trust the chinks and who their NOTHING TO SEE HERE narrative and packed everybody into masks and home office in February

That's why I said maybe.

We just don't know anything really.

What bothers me is that initially we did all these things that hurt our economy and we're in the same situation today, but we're doing things differently because we are trying to save our economy.

None of the actions my country has undertaken so far make sense.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Speaking of cost, this could easily bankrupt people in the United States, if not kill them for lack of care. Depending on how high those costs get, would strain governments picking up the costs as well.
Long-term complications of COVID-19 signals billions in healthcare costs ahead
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lions-in-healthcare-costs-ahead-idUSKBN24Z1CM

Meanwhile, previously locked down economies where people received government support are beginning to recover.
Italian manufacturing activity rebounds in July: PMI
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-economy-pmi-idUSKBN24Z0SI
German manufacturers avoid contraction for first time in 19 months: PMI
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...for-first-time-in-19-months-pmi-idUSKCN24P0OW

 

[Gian]

You do the math how many dead people we would possibly have in germany if we followed Swedens model. Hint: It's way more than what we have now.

Well a few things to be taken in to consideration. For once you cannot compare Germany to Sweden as Germany has around 8 times it's population and the density in West-German is probably much higher.

I'm not buying this death rate at all as various countries count their mortality rate differently. In Sweden they count every Covid-related death as one (meaning it is up to debate people died with Covid or due Covid). That's why it's also much higher than Denmark's death rate as it's neighbouring country. I don't know how it's in Germany but for example in the NL they only count those who were tested (which most weren't) and died as an official death. Hence why we have officially around 6.5K deaths but the reality is probably around 9-11K deaths as most elderly didn't get tested due to lack of tests. If you look at the fact we went into an eight week lockdown and as if today have a higher mortality rate and higher infection per day (also a much higher R-rate) you could easily say the Swedish approach has been much more sustainable so far. Whereas you see thousands of people rioting in Berlin you don't see much resistance in Sweden.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Well a few things to be taken in to consideration. For once you cannot compare Germany to Sweden as Germany has around 8 times it's population and the density in West-German is probably much higher.

I'm not buying this death rate at all as various countries count their mortality rate differently. In Sweden they count every Covid-related death as one (meaning it is up to debate people died with Covid or due Covid). That's why it's also much higher than Denmark's death rate as it's neighbouring country. I don't know how it's in Germany but for example in the NL they only count those who were tested (which most weren't) and died as an official death. Hence why we have officially around 6.5K deaths but the reality is probably around 9-11K deaths as most elderly didn't get tested due to lack of tests. If you look at the fact we went into an eight week lockdown and as if today have a higher mortality rate and higher infection per day (also a much higher R-rate) you could easily say the Swedish approach has been much more sustainable so far. Whereas you see thousands of people rioting in Berlin you don't see much resistance in Sweden.

Here you explained yourself why their approach wouldn't have been a good idea for us.

Those rioting in Berlin are a small percentage of anti maskers you have basically everywhere, because if it comes to restrictions - we barely have any anymore to be pissed off about.

 

[Seven]

One of our leading virologists just got back from a 10 day trip to Austria.

Come on. These guys have been saying we're not supposed to leave the country for months now. Thousands of people have not gone on trips they had planned.

And this fucker just goes himself?

 

[X Æ A-12]

and it wasn't work related?

 

[Seven]

and it wasn't work related?

No. Fucker just went on a holiday. Even says he really enjoyed it.

I don't know why we're not burning him alive to be honest. It's one of the most outrageous things I've read all year and no one gives a fuck.

Be consistent ffs.

 

[X Æ A-12]

No. Fucker just went on a holiday. Even says he really enjoyed it.

I don't know why we're not burning him alive to be honest. It's one of the most outrageous things I've read all year and no one gives a fuck.

Be consistent ffs.

lol that's nothing compared to certain folks in the US

 

[Seven]

lol that's nothing compared to certain folks in the US

Yeah, honestly I don't mind if private citizens leave the country. But these virologists have been instructing us for months now to stay at home and not go on holidays. So for one of them to do just that.. What a cunt.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Haven't travel restrictions within Europe been lifted a while ago?

 

[JuveJay]

Haven't travel restrictions within Europe been lifted a while ago?

It changes from week to week and country to country. Currently flights to Spain from the UK are cancelled until later this month and returnees have to quarantine for 2 months, for example. It depends where there are flare-ups in the virus contraction.

Spain has some problem areas in the mainland.

 

[pavluska]

This is amazing viewing. I'ma have to find and watch the whole thing.

 

[ALC]

This is amazing viewing. I'ma have to find and watch the whole thing.