Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (85 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

I am pretty confident that here in Bulgaria we can handle tens of thousands of cases. We have more than 2000 beds in intensive care, more than 1600 ventilators and we ordered 200 more. If we assume that 5% of cases will go into intensive care we can treat around 40 000 people in our hospitals at the same time.
There is enough money as we have more than 6 billion euros saved from budget surpluses in the last several years. EU has given us additional 1.5 billion. Our Debt to GDP ratio is slightly over 20% and on the internal bond markets the goverment could raise billions without problem as Bulgaria's banks are full of cash and do not know what to do with it.
The biggest problem is lack of health professionals. Taking this into account I would say the system will be on the verge of collapse once the number of cases goes over 20 000 infected. Currently we have 51 infected.
I am pretty sure this will go for many months but we will have to go back to work pretty soon otherwise our economy will be annihliated. As every other economy BTW. Look at China - people there are going back to work in full combat gear.
This will be the new normal at least till we do not have a vaccine or somehow miraculously manage to eradicate the virus everywhere on the planet.

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How many respirators do you guys have? Also, it's not exactly 5% for intensive care. From what I can see in Italy, it's elderly that mess up those numbers by a huge margin. WHen it comes to 60+ year old folks chances are a lot higher to get pneumonia. By default that means intensive care in Italy. I even heard it's 20% of the old cases in Italy that end up in intensive care.

 

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[pavelnel]

How many respirators do you guys have? Also, it's not exactly 5% for intensive care. From what I can see in Italy, it's elderly that mess up those numbers by a huge margin. WHen it comes to 60+ year old folks chances are a lot higher to get pneumonia. By default that means intensive care in Italy. I even heard it's 20% of the old cases in Italy that end up in intensive care.

More than 1600 in hospitals and ambulanses. I said ventilators and I think it is the same as respirators.
In Bulgaria we have had 2-3 people in intensive care out of 52 cases. It is a mystery for me what is happening in Italy.


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[Dostoevsky]

More than 1600 in hospitals and ambulanses. I said ventilators and I think it is the same as respirators.
In Bulgaria we have had 2-3 people in intensive care out of 52 cases. It is a mystery for me what is happening in Italy.


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I guess it spread too fast and they couldn't stop it. It doesn't look great in Spain either.

We also have 50 cases and 1 or 2 in intensive care. But I don't think virus is at it's peak. Numbers in Italy exploded over night

 

[Oggy]

Like I said, I doubt. I think it would horrible if it goes beyond 2000 patients. Dunno how many respirators others countries (Balkan) have but I think we have on "okayish" number compared to others, I wouldn't be surprised if others had less. We made an official statement yesterday that we have (only) 1000. So it's not exactly a trouble if we have 1000 infected, since those would be used for hard cases only. Plenty of people are released to go home even if they are infected but that's for mild symptoms. But yeah, I'm not complaining about the decision, we needed emergency early.

We have 150 respirators, although I'm not sure is that number for the whole Federation or just Sarajevo, but anyway we are fucked. So far we only have a few cases, but it is to be expected a significant raise in next weeks and than the real panic will set in. We don't have enough doctors or equipment to fight it and also too many assholes buying everything they find on the shelves.

I'm getting really pissed, I'm a diabetic with slight hypertension which means I'm highly vulnerable category and while all my test regarding my condition are A+ and I'm really careful, I'm afraid that because of idiots I won't be able to buy food I precisely need, it's like I'm in fucking war again.

Also, my employer doesn't give a fuck about the virus, we are working as if nothing is happening, we bought few disinfectants and that's it... It's pretty frustrating...

Sorry for the long post, I had to get it off my chest...

 

[pavelnel]

I guess it spread too fast and they couldn't stop it. It doesn't look great in Spain either.

We also have 50 cases and 1 or 2 in intensive care. But I don't think virus is at it's peak. Numbers in Italy exploded over night

It will get worse before it gets ....deadly I do not know, I am not an expert...I just think that all of us will have to get sooner than expected to work because more people will die from famine than the virus if our economies collapsed. The world economy is a very fragile construct...

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[Dostoevsky]

We have 150 respirators, although I'm not sure is that number for the whole Federation or just Sarajevo, but anyway we are fucked. So far we only have a few cases, but it is to be expected a significant raise in next weeks and than the real panic will set in. We don't have enough doctors or equipment to fight it and also too many assholes buying everything they find on the shelves.

I'm getting really pissed, I'm a diabetic with slight hypertension which means I'm highly vulnerable category and while all my test regarding my condition are A+ and I'm really careful, I'm afraid that because of idiots I won't be able to buy food I precisely need, it's like I'm in fucking war again.

Also, my employer doesn't give a fuck about the virus, we are working as if nothing is happening, we bought few disinfectants and that's it... It's pretty frustrating...

Sorry for the long post, I had to get it off my chest...

Nah, don't apologise, many people are fucked up right now. 150 respirators is fucking horrible. We have around 1100 and imo that's very low for such situation.

If somebody catches pneumonia chances are high he's going on a respirator which instantly means 1 respirator is reserved for 3 weeks for one person. And that's scary.

Vucic said that EU didn't give shit about us and didn't want to help with the things we asked for. But we'll have Chinese experts come here as soon as they help out in Italy which is a priority rightfully so.

Luckily we're in a position to learn from Italy's mistakes, lowering the impact. Sadly, our countries over here can't really do much. As for companies, I totally get you. I'm free at the moment and I should start somewhere this week or next Monday. But there are so many companies yet to collapse because of this, they won't be able to sustain it.

We had 7 new cases so at the moment we're on 55 cases.

 

[Ronn]

NY ICU beds are 80% occupied, according to Cuomo.

 

[Elvin]

So get this: we were supposed to have 9 days off (Novruz holiday) starting this weekend, but instead our genius government decrees that all government bodies will be working

 

[Juventinoo]

So Italy requested help from the Euro ..they refused and china is already supporting Italy ...

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I have to say i have gained a lot of respect for Boris Johnson

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Vucic said that EU didn't give shit about us and didn't want to help with the things we asked for. But we'll have Chinese experts come here as soon as they help out in Italy which is a priority rightfully so.

This situation, once again, shows that the EU is an extremely slow institution. It takes ages for any decision to be made. And when it matters the most, it's apparently impossible to come up with some kind of uniform rules for the EU: different countries, different measures. It makes zero sense whatsoever.

I'm not opposed to the EU. Hell, I'm very much pro the idea behind it. But it's time to face the facts: it doesn't work in its current form.

Luckily we're in a position to learn from Italy's mistakes, lowering the impact. Sadly, our countries over here can't really do much. As for companies, I totally get you. I'm free at the moment and I should start somewhere this week or next Monday. But there are so many companies yet to collapse because of this, they won't be able to sustain it.

All countries should have been in that very same position. Yet here we are.

I have to say i have gained a lot of respect for Boris Johnson

How so?

 

[pavelnel]

So Italy requested help from the Euro ..they refused and china is already supporting Italy ...

Not true at all. Italy will receive more than 11 billion euros for a start. EU countries do not have enough masks and protective gear to give away to each other. First, every country needs to replenish its own stock before selling or donating to others.

 

[Ronn]

So get this: we were supposed to have 9 days off (Novruz holiday) starting this weekend, but instead our genius government decrees that all government bodies will be working

What’s the logic behind it?

 

[Bjerknes]

NY ICU beds are 80% occupied, according to Cuomo.

Not good. They're going to have to pick and choose who they help.

 

[Elvin]

What’s the logic behind it?

I can't see any.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Not good. They're going to have to pick and choose who they help.

80% seems way too high. Either way they should pick and choose since only hard cases should be taken in. If it's 80% at this point in the US then I think you guys are completely fucked.

This situation, once again, shows that the EU is an extremely slow institution. It takes ages for any decision to be made. And when it matters the most, it's apparently impossible to come up with some kind of uniform rules for the EU: different countries, different measures. It makes zero sense whatsoever.

I'm not opposed to the EU. Hell, I'm very much pro the idea behind it. But it's time to face the facts: it doesn't work in its current form.


All countries should have been in that very same position. Yet here we are.


How so?

The EU is great. On the paper. In real life not so much.

Oh but I do think many countries did learn from their mistake. Not completely avoided but used their information as a cushion to soft the damage by a huge %. Had we not known the movements by China and Italy, I think the % of the infected would have been at least 3 times higher if not more.

 

[Elvin]

80% seems way too high. Either way they should pick and choose since only hard cases should be taken in. If it's 80% at this point in the US then I think you guys are completely fucked.



The EU is great. On the paper. In real life not so much.

Oh but I do think many countries did learn from their mistake. Not completely avoided but used their information as a cushion to soft the damage by a huge %. Had we not known the movements by China and Italy, I think the % of the infected would have been at least 3 times higher if not more.

Main purpose of it was to stop war in Europe. It is succeeding.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Main purpose of it was to stop war in Europe. It is succeeding.

Sooner or later it's gonna fall apart and countries will want to exit. The system itself is already rotten. Too many countries that shouldn't be there, are there, alongside with the debt. It was a good idea imo but not executed in the right way.

 

[Elvin]

Sooner or later it's gonna fall apart and countries will want to exit. The system itself is already rotten. Too many countries that shouldn't be there, are there, alongside with the debt. It was a good idea imo but not executed in the right way.

That would be tragic. EU is the closest thing that came close to utopia.

 

[Bjerknes]

This is from a former classmate who works for the NWS in San Francisco, whom I think is credible.

This is what an ER doctor in SF said about the current situation (from NextDoor).~~~~~
Robert Colvi,
Coronavirus
I never thought I would be posting on next door as I don’t even participate in much social media. However, I have reached my limit of nonchalance concerning the Coronavirus. I write this as a physician who has worked in emergency departments in San Francisco and other parts of the nation. What I am seeing is SHOCKING.
This virus is the real thing. It is not a joke. Infectious disease doctors are saying in best case scenarios we are looking at a 40-60% infection rate. We are not in a best case scenario. We have no guidelines or widely available testing kits. We have no consistent sources of information and no leadership surrounding this. I am most disappointed in the medical community for allowing themselves to be muzzled and not being a guiding light of information.
I suspect we will likely suffer a transmission rate close to what Germany will be experiencing (60-70%). For 90% of us, this is no big deal, but for the remaining 10% this is catastrophic. We all know people in that 10%. These are older individuals and young with or preexisting conditions. Currently we are expecting a 1-2% death rate of the total number affected (1% of ~150 million). Young (under 60 with preexisting medical conditions are experiencing death rates between 0.6-0.9%). These are your parents, friends and family.
We have passed the stage of containment. This is a runaway train. Our goal now is to
mitigate or space out the cases so we will not overwhelm the medical facilities. Good luck with that. I am amazed I am
seeing people in such close quarters at bars and gyms. We are at the bottom of an exponential growth curve and no one seems to care. If you don’t believe me, ask yourself: have we ever shut down all international travel because of the flu, have entire cities or regions ever closed down because of the flu. Have we ever seen mass graves from space because of the flu or other illnesses. Mark my words, interstate travel will shut down because we have nothing left to contain this. This city will go under total quarantine in the next 7-10 days. This will be worse than I’m describing.
Get it together people, we’re in it for the long haul

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