Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (22 Viewers)

Gian

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Apr 12, 2009
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Yeah, can make as much rules as you want if no one is there to enforce them.
Because the rules don't make sense. We've closed restaurants over here. What risk of spread could there be in a restaurant where every table is 1,5 meter apart? The contact with the waiter/waitress is less than 10 seconds

Why close retail stores for, how does someone shopping in a store, just passing by people, a source of infection?
 
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Bjerknes

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    Because the rules don't make sense. We've closed restaurants over here. What risk of spread could there be in a restaurant where every table is 1,5 meter apart? The contact with the waiter/waitress is less than 10 seconds

    Why close retail stores for, how does someone shopping in a store, just passing by people, a source of infection?
    Small stores and restaurants are close quarters and not a lot of air flow. Much better to cram 500 parents in a Walmart while their kids fondle each other's apple sauce in the classrooms.
     

    DAiDEViL

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    Feb 21, 2015
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    Small stores and restaurants are close quarters and not a lot of air flow. Much better to cram 500 parents in a Walmart while their kids fondle each other's apple sauce in the classrooms.
    Here we have parents go shopping with the entire family, including their grandparents.

    So smart and absolutely necessary :baus:
     
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    Bjerknes

    Bjerknes

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    Here we have parents go shopping with the entire family, including their grandparents.

    So smart and absolutely necessary :baus:
    Same here. Lots of smart people... everywhere!

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    What a lousy vaccine rollout. Height of incompetency. Only some front line workers got it. The vaccine is no longer available in DFW. If anyone knows about its availability, please let me know. Thanks.
    I thought that 100 million vaccines were supposed to available by the end of Dec 2020.
    Why make such statements when the govt knew it was impossible. Or are they incompetent?
    Operation fart speed.
    Come on, dude. It's government! What do you think this is, a used car dealership?

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    NYC once vaccinated 72 million people in two weeks

    My mom is a nurse in a covid unit (she’s 62) and Joni “covid is a hoax” Ernst got vaccinated a month before my mom.

    It’s ridiculous
    I know a nurse in Winchester who got the vaccine and she's 29. Pretty sure she was like one of the first people to get it. That's messed up.
     

    AFL_ITALIA

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    The speed that the vaccinations are being given is definitely too slow. New York has done something like twice the national average of doses administered, but I don't get why this isn't a 24/7 thing. Cuomo and De Sanctis are going to start punishing hospitals that don't use up their already available stock. Not sure what Florida is going to do specifically, but I know that Cuomo is going to potentially issue $100,000 fines to hospitals that don't start using up their available stock quicker.

    Personally I know of 9 people that got it already (1 doctor, 2 nurses, 2 EMTs, 2 pharmacists, 1 lab worker, 1 FDNY), no adverse effects other than arm pain a bit worse than a flu shot.
     

    Buck Fuddy

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    May 22, 2009
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    The speed that the vaccinations are being given is definitely too slow.
    Aren't the US, UK & Israel the countries where the highest number of vaccinations (relative to population size) have already been given?

    Meanwhile in Belgium, a few hundred (600 iirc) people have been vaccinated. And the aim is to increase this number to 6.600 by Sunday. We're talking things slowly. Easy does it. No need to rush :wallbang: :sergio:

    I don't know why, but ever since February we are hell bent on dealing with this situation in the worst possible way. It's baffling.
     

    Gian

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    Well, maybe I'm entirely wrong but you need at least 60-70% of the people vaccinated in order to be effective. With this English mutation it might be even higher to be effective, so you'll need to have 7 million people vaccinated. Either 600, 6.000 or 60.000 don't really make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

    The pace will always be f'ing slow as long as there is a lack of vaccines and vaccines production companies won't be able to produce enough
     

    Dostoevsky

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    May 27, 2007
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    Aren't the US, UK & Israel the countries where the highest number of vaccinations (relative to population size) have already been given?

    Meanwhile in Belgium, a few hundred (600 iirc) people have been vaccinated. And the aim is to increase this number to 6.600 by Sunday. We're talking things slowly. Easy does it. No need to rush :wallbang: :sergio:

    I don't know why, but ever since February we are hell bent on dealing with this situation in the worst possible way. It's baffling.
    You know what's going to happen? Both sides of heavily vaccinated and those that are taking it slowly are going to end up just the same. With corona staying around and governments giving strict measures AT LEAST until March. But then they'll say "hey, warm weather is coming, now it's very important to lay low, so we'll continue with measures for another month".
     

    JuveJay

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    Aren't the US, UK & Israel the countries where the highest number of vaccinations (relative to population size) have already been given?

    Meanwhile in Belgium, a few hundred (600 iirc) people have been vaccinated. And the aim is to increase this number to 6.600 by Sunday. We're talking things slowly. Easy does it. No need to rush :wallbang: :sergio:

    I don't know why, but ever since February we are hell bent on dealing with this situation in the worst possible way. It's baffling.
    It took France a week to vaccinate 600 people.
     

    Buck Fuddy

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    May 22, 2009
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    You know what's going to happen? Both sides of heavily vaccinated and those that are taking it slowly are going to end up just the same. With corona staying around and governments giving strict measures AT LEAST until March. But then they'll say "hey, warm weather is coming, now it's very important to lay low, so we'll continue with measures for another month".
    Well, if I look at our situation, bars, restaurants, theaters, barbershops, etc have been closed since November 1st. There's a curfew, you're basically not allowed to see people who don't live in the same place, etc.
    And yes, what we're hearing now, is that this will be the case until end of March.

    Ok, it is what is is. And I'll do my part.

    But is too much to ask for the government to do their part as well? If vaccinations are supposed to be the solution (we'll see), then be prepared & go for it. Now is not the time to test & try things (logistics, etc). That should have been done beforehand.
    Ffs, more than 90% of the vaccines we have available are not being used right now. They're kept frozen until, euhm, yeah, not sure until when. We'll see about that.

    It just bothers me that, as a country, we're still improvising. Or are incompetent. Or both. And this has been the case since February/March.
    You'd expect us to get smarter over time. Alas


    Well, maybe I'm entirely wrong but you need at least 60-70% of the people vaccinated in order to be effective. With this English mutation it might be even higher to be effective, so you'll need to have 7 million people vaccinated. Either 600, 6.000 or 60.000 don't really make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

    The pace will always be f'ing slow as long as there is a lack of vaccines and vaccines production companies won't be able to produce enough
    600 or 60.000 does not make an immediate difference in the grand scheme of things, but it sure will over time. I mean, those initial 60.000 people need to be vaccinated anyway. And it makes a pretty big difference if they're vaccinated on January 7th as opposed to February 7th.
     

    JCK

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    You know what's going to happen? Both sides of heavily vaccinated and those that are taking it slowly are going to end up just the same. With corona staying around and governments giving strict measures AT LEAST until March. But then they'll say "hey, warm weather is coming, now it's very important to lay low, so we'll continue with measures for another month".
    End of March? That's too soon. The restrictions, curfews or whatnot depending on where you are is staying until after the summer at least.
     

    Dostoevsky

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    End of March? That's too soon. The restrictions, curfews or whatnot depending on where you are is staying until after the summer at least.
    I see horrible numbers everywhere yet we're seeing light at the end of the tunnel :tup: lol. Our government is really scary when it comes to lying about this stuff. It's crazy. Oh and I hope it won't go beyong March. I even more hope it won't fuck up coming summer. I find it easier to lay low when it's winter/cold.

    Well, if I look at our situation, bars, restaurants, theaters, barbershops, etc have been closed since November 1st. There's a curfew, you're basically not allowed to see people who don't live in the same place, etc.
    And yes, what we're hearing now, is that this will be the case until end of March.

    Ok, it is what is is. And I'll do my part.

    But is too much to ask for the government to do their part as well? If vaccinations are supposed to be the solution (we'll see), then be prepared & go for it. Now is not the time to test & try things (logistics, etc). That should have been done beforehand.
    Ffs, more than 90% of the vaccines we have available are not being used right now. They're kept frozen until, euhm, yeah, not sure until when. We'll see about that.

    It just bothers me that, as a country, we're still improvising. Or are incompetent. Or both. And this has been the case since February/March.
    You'd expect us to get smarter over time. Alas
    I honestly don't know what to think about this part. It's not like you live in some shitty ass country. I wonder if there's a bigger reason behind not using it and I wonder if some countries will even skip using those.
     

    Dostoevsky

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    Numbers in the US seem crazy. 250k new cases in one day, 3500 died. On the top of that there are riots.

    I wonder if strict measures are about kick in in order to calm the crowd down.
     

    JuveJay

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    Numbers in the US seem crazy. 250k new cases in one day, 3500 died. On the top of that there are riots.

    I wonder if strict measures are about kick in in order to calm the crowd down.
    Many people called that Trump would fuck shit up as his last temper tantrum before leaving. One way was pushing for protests and having large rallies, the double whammy of the US Capitol incident and spiralling Covid cases means that by the time Biden takes over the numbers will be the worst they've been. Biden will then come in and try to follow advice, which will be for stricter curfews and controls, which Republicans and Trump's zombie hoard will spin against him because infringement of MUH LIBURTAYS, unconstitutional, left wing socialists, and all the other buzzwords that easily resonate around empty skulls.
     

    Dostoevsky

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    Many people called that Trump would fuck shit up as his last temper tantrum before leaving. One way was pushing for protests and having large rallies, the double whammy of the US Capitol incident and spiralling Covid cases means that by the time Biden takes over the numbers will be the worst they've been. Biden will then come in and try to follow advice, which will be for stricter curfews and controls, which Republicans and Trump's zombie hoard will spin against him because infringement of MUH LIBURTAYS, unconstitutional, left wing socialists, and all the other buzzwords that easily resonate around empty skulls.
    That's the thing. And if that happens I doubt an average Joe is gonna be happy. I think plenty of countries this year that follow those measures will face huge riots. The bigger the country the bigger riots which will put an end to hospitals eventually.
     
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    Bjerknes

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    Many people called that Trump would fuck shit up as his last temper tantrum before leaving. One way was pushing for protests and having large rallies, the double whammy of the US Capitol incident and spiralling Covid cases means that by the time Biden takes over the numbers will be the worst they've been. Biden will then come in and try to follow advice, which will be for stricter curfews and controls, which Republicans and Trump's zombie hoard will spin against him because infringement of MUH LIBURTAYS, unconstitutional, left wing socialists, and all the other buzzwords that easily resonate around empty skulls.
    I don't think you quite get it. Curfews are stupid and don't work. Even if you implement full lockdowns, folks aren't going to obey them -- including the supposed "scientist" Democrats where the covid deaths are disproportionally impacting black and Latino communities. Why? Cuz they don't give a shit just like everyone else. I don't know if you have a job in business, but if you did, you wouldn't be a fan of total lockdowns either.

    Christmas and New Years were always going to result in a huge amount of cases. Lots of people seeing family and friends, especially in their own homes.
     
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    Enron

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    it doesn’t matter at this point, if you die from covid you probably didn’t do the right thing. You either recognize the danger and adjust your life a tad or you don’t.
     

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