what is the solution then? and just forget murica for a second, think of a general solution.
Thinking of things in a vacuum isn't a general solution. If the only thing that mattered was making sure nobody else died from covid, then you would lock down everything and close up everything, with the military rationing food to everyone for months. That isn't a way to live in modern society. It would be akin to the fictitious town in the film
Outbreak at a national scale.
A general, well-balanced solution would be maintaining reasonable social distancing, wearing masks, protecting the at-risk population, implementing as much distance business and learning as possible, while also working towards vaccinations. A lot of this is already being done, but the problem is a large segment of the population, from all different races, religions, and political leanings, are unhealthy and frankly stupid. So you can try to lockdown stuff as much as you can, and maybe start putting people in covid camps if they don't obey, but the end result is even worse than hospitals being overran and "authorities" burning bodies next to the Hollywood sign. Sometimes there isn't a perfect solution for matters.
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They definitely work in reducing cases, deaths and hospitalisations, you only have to look at the graphs to see the drop in cases here with the original March national lockdown and then the smaller one in autumn, but economic pressures forced us out of them and the numbers were manageable. This combination of the new variant and spiralling Christmas cases mean the economy is now becoming priority #2.
Curfews are different than lockdowns. Closing bars at 10pm means I go to one at 4pm. It's nonsense.
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First of all, I'm not a fan of hard measures, let alone a curfew. But you're just exaggerating here.
I'm not here saying it's good or bad but saying curfew don't work is just silly. We had a curfew for a long time here and we couldn't get out from 17h until 05h. We also had whole weekends when we couldn't go outside (Friday from 17h until Monday at 05h). Yes, it sucks. It fucking sucks. But you can't say such things won't give effect or what they're aiming for. Only a small minority wouldn't obey those rules because punishment wasn't soft. Nobody was crazy enough to get out during a curfew and pay 2 monthly wages as a punishment. City was literally empty, public transportation limited, etc. It's literally impossible not to have less numbers of infected during such period. Impossible. If they are trying not to overload hospitals that's the way to go.
But is it the right way? That's a totally different thing. I don't think many countries, private businesses and even huge companies like that idea because it's not sustainable and economies are already destroyed as is. I was sadly one of those effected heavily by covid and I lost my job because we couldn't do business with Slovenia. So I agree it's stupid, but I can't say it doesn't work.
What I think the worst is having strict measures for months, then absolutely nothing, then strict measures, then nothing. That solves nothing. In fact, I'm already past the point of caring about it and I wouldn't have any measure whatsoever but I'm aware of the danger.
I don't think curfews work at all, unless they're just so nonsensical that it's essentially a lockdown. Just look at LA county right now. Bodies everywhere despite having curfews then lockdowns for weeks.
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This is poetry
Thanks, I thought more would have liked that one.
Worked for New Zealand and Australia, Bogans and all. Certainly making them optional versus mandates is even worse in America, because nobody would sh*t in a toilet if they couldn't get fined for doing it on their front lawn.
It is a lot of big gatherings though. And governments seem to want to do something, but they're already two weeks behind the curve of what's already been done.
And that's why it's hard to manage. Just look at the Jewish folks in Brooklyn, they don't care 'bout no damn virus.
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