Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (190 Viewers)

[CrimsonianKing]

So the charge nurse from my wife’s hospital results came out positive and two more nurses have covid too. A few days ago my wife was complaining she had a sore throat and constant headache but no other symptoms. They worked next to each other every day and even went grocery shopping together so it’s fair to say she’s probably positive too.

There’s no way to get tested because she isn’t showing any of the major symptoms so they won’t do it but it’s fair to assume she’s probably contaminated. If that’s the case I’m happy she’s beating this with no problems.

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

So the charge nurse from my wife’s hospital results came out positive and two more nurses have covid too. A few days ago my wife was complaining she had a sore throat and constant headache but no other symptoms. They worked next to each other every day and even went grocery shopping together so it’s fair to say she’s probably positive too.

There’s no way to get tested because she isn’t showing any of the major symptoms so they won’t do it but it’s fair to assume she’s probably contaminated. If that’s the case I’m happy she’s beating this with no problems.

Don't you want to isolate just in case?

 

[Gian]

Could someone tell me the reason why Sweden isn't in any form of lockdown or isolating infected people? Around 10k infected and the government isn't doing much

@Suns @Osman

 

[lgorTudor]

Could someone tell me the reason why Sweden isn't in any form of lockdown or isolating infected people? Around 10k infected and the government isn't doing much

@Suns @Osman

If 10k are registered as infected but there aren't any measures of isolation it means that probably closer to 100k are infected

 

[Gian]

If 10k are registered as infected but there aren't any measures of isolation it means that probably closer to 100k are infected

I fear so as well considering the ones with mild symptoms won't go to the hospitals in order to get tested. I don't know much of Sweden from a cultural perspective but it seems foolish to not close its borders or test many

 

[Alen]

I did tests per population for all European countries. Testing is important and those who've done less tests per capita are probably showing a very wrong picture of corona cases and they will keep struggling for much longer. Of course, some people are tested twice or more and I guess their tests are included in the total number. But that goes for every country. I excluded the countries with less than 100 000 population.

For example, South Korea is testing 1 out of 107 of its citizens. The USA are testing 1 of 143. Canada 1 out of 100. Australia 1 of 77.
Here is for Europe:

Iceland 1/10
Luxembourg 1/23
Malta 1/32
Norway 1/47
Switzerland 1/48
Estonia 1/50
Germany 1/63
Slovenia 1/65
Italy 1/70
Austria 1/71
Portugal 1/72
Latvia 1/74
Lithuania 1/83
Cyprus 1/84
Denmark 1/90
Ireland 1/92
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Czech Republic 1/100
Spain 1/131
Belgium 1/137
Finland 1/142
Russia 1/145
Netherlands 1/169
Sweden 1/184
Belarus 1/192
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United Kingdom 1/227
Slovakia 1/255
Montenegro 1/269
France 1/290
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Croatia 1/300
Turkey 1/304
Greece 1/310
Macedonia 1/317
Hungary 1/347
Poland 1/351
Romania 1/371
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Bulgaria 1/437
Bosnia 1/475
Serbia 1/564
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Kosovo 1/704
Moldova 1/790
Albania 1/893
Ukraine 1/2124

As expected, the Northern and the Germanic speaking countries are doing the best. The poorest countries are doing the worst. I expected better numbers from the UK and France.

 

[JuveJay]

So the charge nurse from my wife’s hospital results came out positive and two more nurses have covid too. A few days ago my wife was complaining she had a sore throat and constant headache but no other symptoms. They worked next to each other every day and even went grocery shopping together so it’s fair to say she’s probably positive too.

There’s no way to get tested because she isn’t showing any of the major symptoms so they won’t do it but it’s fair to assume she’s probably contaminated. If that’s the case I’m happy she’s beating this with no problems.

I don't want to worry you unnecessarily but there is some suggestion that catching the virus off multiple people, i.e. people working in the health sector, can create problems perhaps by the virus mutating or becoming more aggressive by being 'topped up'. This is one reason given why otherwise healthy and sometimes young nurses and doctors are becoming very ill or dying from the virus. She should definitely do as much as she can to continue to limit her exposure.

 

[JuveJay]

1k died in the UK. Seems to be jumping.

Did the US hit 500k? Just heard something on TV. Last number I saw was 435k, no way it jumped 70k...

Our peak is still some days away, possible past Sunday.

 

[JuveJay]

Seems that there is also an effect on ethnic minorities in the UK numbers:

"
The overall number of confirmed Covid-19 cases and deaths in the UK are not currently broken down by ethnicity, but there is some evidence to suggest the virus is having a disproportionate impact on people from ethnic minority backgrounds.

Data from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC) suggests 35% of critically ill coronavirus patients are from black or minority ethnic backgrounds."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-52188230

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Obviously there were big numbers coming out of London, so the social-economic factors come into play here as well.

In other news, Boris Johnson has been moved out of intensive care but is still in hospital, so it sounds like they have stabilised his breathing.

 

[Post Ironic]

They isolated a village near Rome with already high # of infection. They'll test everyone there and use as study. Maybe they already did so.

But in any case, focus on trends more, notice there's a lag time between numbers of cases and deaths, that more tests are being done, etc, and quit freaking out or rejoicing over individual numbers daily - the reason why news networks do what they do.

They did this in a village somewhere in Italy already. I believe it was Vo. After they did it and isolated all positive cases, it didn’t spread further which makes sense of course. https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ed-coronavirus-mass-testing-covid-19-italy-vo

Hard to expand that sort of rigorous testing over an entire population. Region of Veneto is doing 20k+ tests/day in attempt to test everyone eventually.

What worked so well in S Korea was massive testing (alongside contact tracing) before the virus had a chance to really spread exponentially. Their tests/million aren’t even up near the top anymore, but they did their massive testing early.

 

[acmilan]

I did tests per population for all European countries. Testing is important and those who've done less tests per capita are probably showing a very wrong picture of corona cases and they will keep struggling for much longer. Of course, some people are tested twice or more and I guess their tests are included in the total number. But that goes for every country. I excluded the countries with less than 100 000 population.

For example, South Korea is testing 1 out of 107 of its citizens. The USA are testing 1 of 143. Canada 1 out of 100. Australia 1 of 77.
Here is for Europe:

Iceland 1/10
Luxembourg 1/23
Malta 1/32
Norway 1/47
Switzerland 1/48
Estonia 1/50
Germany 1/63
Slovenia 1/65
Italy 1/70
Austria 1/71
Portugal 1/72
Latvia 1/74
Lithuania 1/83
Cyprus 1/84
Denmark 1/90
Ireland 1/92
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Czech Republic 1/100
Spain 1/131
Belgium 1/137
Finland 1/142
Russia 1/145
Netherlands 1/169
Sweden 1/184
Belarus 1/192
----------------------------------
United Kingdom 1/227
Slovakia 1/255
Montenegro 1/269
France 1/290
----------------------------------
Croatia 1/300
Greece 1/310
Macedonia 1/317
Hungary 1/347
Poland 1/351
Romania 1/371
-----------------------------------
Bulgaria 1/437
Bosnia 1/475
Serbia 1/564
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Kosovo 1/704
Moldova 1/790
Albania 1/893
Ukraine 1/2124

As expected, the Northern and the Germanic speaking countries are doing the best. The poorest countries are doing the worst. I expected better numbers from the UK and France.

What is the source for these stats? I very much doubt the US has managed to test 1 in 143, which isn't all that great anyway. Most states here don't have enough testing capacity to even test people with symptoms, let alone anyone else. I mean they can't even get the real number of covid-related deaths counted properly.

My mom works for a military contractor in Boston and several people ended up testing positive. They closed the company for a few weeks but didn't have enough tests to even test the rest of the employees, who had been in close contact with the infected people. Only thing they told her from the covid hotline was to self-quarantine for 2 weeks. Luckily she didn't get sick.
And we are talking Massachusetts here, the state with quite possibly the best health-care system in all of the US.

I imagine testing is politicized to some extent in other countries, as well, but here in the US, it's taken to a whole different level. Testing and medical supplies have been promised easily for some time now, but it's always in reference to some undetermined moment in the future. It's always promises that hardly ever turn into facts. Empty words that make the situation look under control when it is anything but.
As inadequate as testing may have been in the US up to this point, it seems they will be pulling federal funding going forward. That will further squash the already skewed statistics, laying a clear path for false neratives, just in time for the elections.

 

[Alen]

What is the source for these stats? I very much doubt the US has managed to test 1 in 143, which isn't all that great anyway. Most states here don't have enough testing capacity to even test people with symptoms, let alone anyone else. I mean they can't even get the real number of covid-related deaths counted properly.

I did my own calculations.
I'm dividing the number of population (found here for every country https://www.worldometers.info/population/ ) with the number of tests (found on this table https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ )

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I don't want to worry you unnecessarily but there is some suggestion that catching the virus off multiple people, i.e. people working in the health sector, can create problems perhaps by the virus mutating or becoming more aggressive by being 'topped up'.

What does being topped up mean?

 

[Post Ironic]

I did my own calculations.
I'm dividing the number of population (found here for every country https://www.worldometers.info/population/ ) with the number of tests (found on this table https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ )

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What does being topped up mean?

That site shows tests/million population so you could have just brought that info here

 

[Alen]

That site shows tests/million population so you could have just brought that info here

I know but it looks better this way.

Everyone knows what it means when you say that Iceland tests 1 in 10, but it's a little confusing when you say that they tested 95,718 in a million

 

[Post Ironic]

I know but it looks better this way.

Everyone knows what it means when you say that Iceland tests 1 in 10, but it's a little confusing when you say that they tested 95,718 in a million

True. Even better would be percentage of population tested. Recalculate please

 

[Alen]

True. Even better would be percentage of population tested. Recalculate please

Nah, that would be useless. Just divide 100/my numbers above, and you have it.
Iceland are the best with 10% of the population tested, Ukraine the worst with 0.047%.

 

[Dostoevsky]

found this funny

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/7/wuhan-lockdown-ends-65000-flee/

 

[ALC]

I know but it looks better this way.

Everyone knows what it means when you say that Iceland tests 1 in 10, but it's a little confusing when you say that they tested 95,718 in a million

you’d get 1/10 if you divide 95,718/million, didn’t have to pull numbers from different tables

 

[pavelnel]

I did tests per population for all European countries. Testing is important and those who've done less tests per capita are probably showing a very wrong picture of corona cases and they will keep struggling for much longer. Of course, some people are tested twice or more and I guess their tests are included in the total number. But that goes for every country. I excluded the countries with less than 100 000 population.

For example, South Korea is testing 1 out of 107 of its citizens. The USA are testing 1 of 143. Canada 1 out of 100. Australia 1 of 77.
Here is for Europe:

Iceland 1/10
Luxembourg 1/23
Malta 1/32
Norway 1/47
Switzerland 1/48
Estonia 1/50
Germany 1/63
Slovenia 1/65
Italy 1/70
Austria 1/71
Portugal 1/72
Latvia 1/74
Lithuania 1/83
Cyprus 1/84
Denmark 1/90
Ireland 1/92
------------------------------------
Czech Republic 1/100
Spain 1/131
Belgium 1/137
Finland 1/142
Russia 1/145
Netherlands 1/169
Sweden 1/184
Belarus 1/192
----------------------------------
United Kingdom 1/227
Slovakia 1/255
Montenegro 1/269
France 1/290
----------------------------------
Croatia 1/300
Turkey 1/304
Greece 1/310
Macedonia 1/317
Hungary 1/347
Poland 1/351
Romania 1/371
-----------------------------------
Bulgaria 1/437
Bosnia 1/475
Serbia 1/564
----------------------------------
Kosovo 1/704
Moldova 1/790
Albania 1/893
Ukraine 1/2124

As expected, the Northern and the Germanic speaking countries are doing the best. The poorest countries are doing the worst. I expected better numbers from the UK and France.

In principle, I would agree that more tests should represent a better overall picture of the disease's proliferation in a country but there are many question marks surrounding the testing process:

1. Which type of test is being used - PCR or the so-called "fast tests" as some of them are wildly inaccurate.
2. Most countries test only symptomatic patients and their connections. If you have many patients coming to the hospitals you have no choice but to test more. if you have a small number of symptomatic cases - you test less.
3 The data regarding the number of tests is often not up to date.

As an example, I give you my country - Bulgaria. We have performed over 16 000 PCR tests and have slightly more than 600 confirmed cases. Only 200 people are in the hospital and around 30 in ICU. Clearly we do not have a need to do more tests.
For me, I look at the number of deaths per 1 mil population and the ratio of the number of confirmed cases to the number of tests as better indicators of the severity of the situation in a particular country.

Oh, and I have not left my city for close to a month as do most Bulgarians and rarely go outside of my house anymore. I am all for social distancing and wearing masks but I am really getting annoyed by the measures that have been undertaken by the government as I think they are too severe. We have been counting between 15-40 cases per day for weeks now and I really do not see the point to restrict the movement for more than a few weeks. Yet we are under emergency law till the 13th of May. Insane.

 

[JuveJay]

What does being topped up mean?

Just means adding more to something that already exists, so that is full/full strength. So in this instance someone could have the coronavirus and be fairly asymptomatic or with mild symptoms having caught it from one source, then whilst the body is dealing with the virus it is caught again from somebody else where it might be slightly different or even the same, starting the cycle again, this could even happen several times. There was a woman in Japan who caught it a second time having well cleared the incubation period.

Basically we don't know enough about it at this stage to say things with enough certainty.