Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (113 Viewers)

[Buck Fuddy]

Thanks for the answers guys.

it's more lethal than flu. death rates are well below 0,1% for flu and 2-3% (depending on reports) for covid-19.

I did not know that. Better yet, last thing I heard was that is was not more lethal than other types of flu.

From what I understand even though mortality rate is still low it spreads much faster than the seasonal flu.

Was not aware of this either. Had the idea that it was entirely similar.

I think that the mortality rate and the reproduction rate (R0) for the virus is still unknown to "authorities" such as the CDC and WHO. The reason for that is because nobody can trust the Chinese government statistics and they refuse to allow other organizations to come into Wuhan to study the virus. So right now, we can only base our estimates on what they say, along with the statistics from other nations. However, it does appear to be worse than the seasonal flu due to the duration of symptoms and potential longstanding side effects. Hopefully the death rate is less than the season flu, but something tells me it's not.

Another way to look at this is reviewing the actions of the Chinese government in a vacuum. If the response is assumed to be proportionate to the threat, and China is literally closing down cities of 10 million people, then that isn't a good sign.

Lots of deaths in Iran now, too.

Makes sense. The "unknown" factor was what I was assuming.

So far the death rate is a lot higher than the flu - officially around 3% - the flu is about 0.1%. Also, this virus is far more contagious than the flu - it has a huge incubation period (meaning - you are without any symptoms but you are carrying and spreading the virus) up to 27 days. Also, it is airborne and not like most of the flu - spreading through air droplets. Which makes it even more contagious.

There are reports that it could damage your heart for life through the ACE-2 receptors that are present there. Also, this virus is RNA which makes it very susceptible to mutations and it looks like there is a bad mutation in Iran which according to the official data right now makes the death rate about 20%.

Also, as you pointed out this is a virus we don't know much about, we don't have any immunity and we don't know the long term consequences on our health from it.

That's completey new info for me. Has this been confirmed?

From what I know what you said is true but the virus also propagates much more easily than the flu. It's the people at risk (having conditions, predisposition or illness) that may become casualties therefore if we can limit the number of people being affected, these people will be safer

I was not yet aware of this.

 

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[kao_ray]

It could be impossible to stop. But due to it being spread by people who are asymptomatic, the only option is cutting off travel from the infected areas. If all other nations refused to accept flights or trains from China, theoretically it would be contained to China. But the ship has sailed on that one. Governments should still be isolating patients and quarantining anyone who the person came into contact with, which requires an immediate response.

You can only slow down this virus. The best response for this type of virus is to slow it down as much as possible and prepare the health facilities with enough medical equipment while looking/ making tests for antiviral drug.

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Thanks for the answers guys.




That's completey new info for me. Has this been confirmed?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ - here is a short overview of the virus

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[Bjerknes]

Pre-market futures in the US are down 3%. Not going to be a good day for the market. That sucks.

Iran is reporting only 43 cases, but 12 deaths already? Those numbers don't add up, they must be way off on their counts. Sounds like a great country for the virus to spread.

EDIT: Or no. One Iranian lawmaker said 50 DEATHS?!

https://nypost.com/2020/02/24/iran-lawmaker-says-50-are-dead-from-new-coronavirus-in-city-of-qom/

 

[Ronn]

Pre-market futures in the US are down 3%. Not going to be a good day for the market. That sucks.

Iran is reporting only 43 cases, but 12 deaths already? Those numbers don't add up, they must be way off on their counts. Sounds like a great country for the virus to spread.

EDIT: Or no. One Iranian lawmaker said 50 DEATHS?!

https://nypost.com/2020/02/24/iran-lawmaker-says-50-are-dead-from-new-coronavirus-in-city-of-qom/

50 deaths only in Qom. The health officials denied this of course, but given that 7 countries already found cases in people traveling from Iran, the numbers should be much higher.

 

[Bjerknes]

50 deaths only in Qom. The health officials denied this of course, but given that 7 countries already found cases in people traveling from Iran, the numbers should be much higher.

That's really not good. The WHO has to declare a pandemic now for sure.

 

[Ronn]

That's really not good. The WHO has to declare a pandemic now for sure.

Pretty much all of the surrounding countries closed their borders, and flights are mostly cancelled.

 

[Bjerknes]

You can only slow down this virus. The best response for this type of virus is to slow it down as much as possible and prepare the health facilities with enough medical equipment while looking/ making tests for antiviral drug.

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ - here is a short overview of the virus

for more in depth information see this channel -

That Doctor has a contact in Iran and that person said people are dying by the hour in Tehran. Actually, a lot of that news he covered is just scary.

 

[kao_ray]

Some health tips for a better immune system.

Number 1 is good sleep -
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That Doctor has a contact in Iran and that person said people are dying by the hour in Tehran. Actually, a lot of that news he covered is just scary.

Yep, it looks like the virus is a lot more dangerous in Iran. Worst case scenario is a bad mutation.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

If incubation period is that long wouldn't that mean quarantine is totally useless, none of this shit makes sense to me, something else is afoot and not disclosed for fear of hysteria

 

[Cerval]

Hopefully Siamak is alright. He has vanished since saying he thinks he has the virus.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Does Alex Jones have some good products in stock to help not get the virus?

 

[kao_ray]

If incubation period is that long wouldn't that mean quarantine is totally useless, none of this shit makes sense to me, something else is afoot and not disclosed for fear of hysteria

In the long run it is useless. With this virus all you can do is buy some time to prepare for the many patients that will come with respiratory problems and also look for an antiviral drug (tests are made in China for many possible antiviral treatments but the first official data will be ready by April).

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Boy am i glad i pulled out of that tourism business in Malaysia

 

[Bjerknes]

If incubation period is that long wouldn't that mean quarantine is totally useless, none of this shit makes sense to me, something else is afoot and not disclosed for fear of hysteria

Not if you extend the quarantine period to a hellish month.

What else do you think could be at play here? The only thing that could make sense is that this is a bioweapon.

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Hopefully Siamak is alright. He has vanished since saying he thinks he has the virus.

Hopefully he's OK. I'm actually very concerned with this myself as the only thing I've ever suffered from is respiratory illnesses. Always get a couple of colds and had pnuemonia/bronchitis in the past. Everything else is OK (as far as I know, knock on wood).

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Boy am i glad i pulled out of that tourism business in Malaysia

Our buddy Jim Cramer just said the markets are strong. Gotta love that guy, never stops pumping.

DOW down 800 points.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Not if you extend the quarantine period to a hellish month.

What else do you think could be at play here? The only thing that could make sense is that this is a bioweapon.

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Hopefully he's OK. I'm actually very concerned with this myself as the only thing I've ever suffered from is respiratory illnesses. Always get a couple of colds and had pnuemonia/bronchitis in the past. Everything else is OK (as far as I know, knock on wood).

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Our buddy Jim Cramer just said the markets are strong. Gotta love that guy, never stops pumping.

DOW down 800 points.

When you have healthy looking flight attendants infecting "countries", quarantining a city is just politicians showing they are doing something, based on its description this is a virus you can't contain unless you completely shut down everything.
Oh and Cramer is a bonafide buffoon, but i don't fault him for taking fools for a ride.

 

[Raphaël]

Our buddy Jim Cramer just said the markets are strong. Gotta love that guy, never stops pumping.

DOW down 800 points.

The coronavirus is the one that has done the most to save the planet, much more effective than Greta and all these politicians.

 

[lgorTudor]

The coronavirus is the one that has done the most to save the planet, much more effective than Greta and all these politicians.

Depopulating China by 90% is the best thing to happen to CO2 levels


Not that man-made climate change existed except in green communist minds anyway but still

 

[DAiDEViL]

The coronavirus is the one that has done the most to save the planet, much more effective than Greta and all these politicians.

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[Dostoevsky]

I have a feeling this is just exaggerated to to point that you need to kill Chinese economy as everybody will stop the import of their stuff for a long period of time.

I don't believe this is as big as world is breaking it out to be for the same reasons. IMO it's an economic war, not health war. People just never pay attention to regular flu and death rates on daily bases. It's easy for media to make it sound huge.

 

[lgorTudor]

I have a feeling this is just exaggerated to to point that you need to kill Chinese economy as everybody will stop the import of their stuff for a long period of time.

I don't believe this is as big as world is breaking it out to be for the same reasons. IMO it's an economic war, not health war. People just never pay attention to regular flu and death rates on daily bases. It's easy for media to make it sound huge.

Death toll in China is much higher than their authorities suggest. This is like when USSR said only 50 people died in the Chernobyl disaster. Secondly, I think western media sweep the story under the carpet to give elites more time to prep in peace. Thirdly which is within realms of speculation rather than facts but certainly more plausible than bat soup story - corona is a leaked lab-made bioweapon from the new shiny Wuhan Institute of Virology.