Currently we have 149 infected. But.. I actually just received a firsthand info saying that over 150 were tested positive only yesterday. So now I know that our government is lying about the numbers surely.
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These are the official numbers:
- Infected people: 2815
- Patients in ICU: 238
- Casualties: 67
As for behaviour, I think the majority of people are handling it well. There are always going to be idiots, there has been some hoarding going on, etc, but in general I'd say the current situation is ok.
Hospitals seem to have things under control so far as well (I personally know quite a few people who work in the industry). Don't get me wrong, the situation obviously isn't good, but not that much panic so far.
But the numbers are obviously expected to keep rising for the next 4 or 5 days. By the end of next week, we should see a decrease. You can only hope that will turn out to be true. Because if it isn't, then what's the point?
Personally, I don't mind staying home for while (working at home, no cultural activities, no football games, not visiting friends, etc), but you cannot sustain this for a long period of time. You need a positive outlook. The general uncertainty could end being the main issue.
- Infected people: 2815
- Patients in ICU: 238
- Casualties: 67
As for behaviour, I think the majority of people are handling it well. There are always going to be idiots, there has been some hoarding going on, etc, but in general I'd say the current situation is ok.
Hospitals seem to have things under control so far as well (I personally know quite a few people who work in the industry). Don't get me wrong, the situation obviously isn't good, but not that much panic so far.
But the numbers are obviously expected to keep rising for the next 4 or 5 days. By the end of next week, we should see a decrease. You can only hope that will turn out to be true. Because if it isn't, then what's the point?
Personally, I don't mind staying home for while (working at home, no cultural activities, no football games, not visiting friends, etc), but you cannot sustain this for a long period of time. You need a positive outlook. The general uncertainty could end being the main issue.
I wonder if all countries are lying about the numbers. But it doesn't seem like a thing you can lie about since you have hospitals, staff and information leak any day of the week. Those numbers look quite big, but yeah, it's not much as long as the hospitals are handling the situation.
What I don't like is the fact that you get get infected even after you had it. Seems like a hard thing to stop.
I see tons of people here doing big shopping despite the warnings. It's where people can get infected quite easily due to dumb masses. TBH I don't see this (at least here) calming down for at least 4-6 more weeks. Infectologist said it's a dangerous thing for around 90 days, then it gets weakened and the situation gets in controll. But we've had it for only 2 weeks basically so I only expect a huge increase in the numbers in the next 10 days.
What I don't like is the fact that you get get infected even after you had it. Seems like a hard thing to stop.
I see tons of people here doing big shopping despite the warnings. It's where people can get infected quite easily due to dumb masses. TBH I don't see this (at least here) calming down for at least 4-6 more weeks. Infectologist said it's a dangerous thing for around 90 days, then it gets weakened and the situation gets in controll. But we've had it for only 2 weeks basically so I only expect a huge increase in the numbers in the next 10 days.
I'm pretty sure the numbers in terms of casualties & ICU are correct, but the number of infections obviously isn't. Afaik, you'd need to multiply it by 10.
As for the hospitals: apparently we have 1900 available ICU beds, with the ability to increase the number if necessary, so that's somewhat reassuring at least.
From what I know, there haven't been any mass gatherings anywhere over here for the last few days. Stores have implemented clear rules, etc. But you can't avoid everything obviously. A (big?) number of people is still carrying out jobs, both essential and non- essential, where close contact can not be avoided.
I think we need to realise that it is impossible to take measures right now that are 100% effective, it's way too late for that. But that doesn't necessarily have to be a problem: 80 or 90% could/should be enough.
The thing that will always keep bothering me though, is that it really shouldn't have come to this. I do believe the measures that are being taken right now are useful & necessary. But, by definition, you're taking these measures because you didn't act when you had the chance to. It's too late now to solve the issue, so everyone is just scrambling to make it less disastrous.
I'm well aware of risk management & the likes (at least, I should be, it's part of my job
), so I know there's no such thing as zero risks. But I can't shake the feeling that in this case the risks were seriously misinterpreted, on a global level.
As for the hospitals: apparently we have 1900 available ICU beds, with the ability to increase the number if necessary, so that's somewhat reassuring at least.
From what I know, there haven't been any mass gatherings anywhere over here for the last few days. Stores have implemented clear rules, etc. But you can't avoid everything obviously. A (big?) number of people is still carrying out jobs, both essential and non- essential, where close contact can not be avoided.
I think we need to realise that it is impossible to take measures right now that are 100% effective, it's way too late for that. But that doesn't necessarily have to be a problem: 80 or 90% could/should be enough.
The thing that will always keep bothering me though, is that it really shouldn't have come to this. I do believe the measures that are being taken right now are useful & necessary. But, by definition, you're taking these measures because you didn't act when you had the chance to. It's too late now to solve the issue, so everyone is just scrambling to make it less disastrous.
I'm well aware of risk management & the likes (at least, I should be, it's part of my job
), so I know there's no such thing as zero risks. But I can't shake the feeling that in this case the risks were seriously misinterpreted, on a global level.
I'm pretty sure the numbers in terms of casualties & ICU are correct, but the number of infections obviously isn't. Afaik, you'd need to multiply it by 10.
As for the hospitals: apparently we have 1900 available ICU beds, with the ability to increase the number if necessary, so that's somewhat reassuring at least.
From what I know, there haven't been any mass gatherings anywhere over here for the last few days. Stores have implemented clear rules, etc. But you can't avoid everything obviously. A (big?) number of people is still carrying out jobs, both essential and non- essential, where close contact can not be avoided.
I think we need to realise that it is impossible to take measures right now that are 100% effective, it's way too late for that. But that doesn't necessarily have to be a problem: 80 or 90% could/should be enough.
The thing that will always keep bothering me though, is that it really shouldn't have come to this. I do believe the measures that are being taken right now are useful & necessary. But, by definition, you're taking these measures because you didn't act when you had the chance to. It's too late now to solve the issue, so everyone is just scrambling to make it less disastrous.
I'm well aware of risk management & the likes (at least, I should be, it's part of my job), so I know there's no such thing as zero risks. But I can't shake the feeling that in this case the risks were seriously misinterpreted, on a global level.
As for the hospitals: apparently we have 1900 available ICU beds, with the ability to increase the number if necessary, so that's somewhat reassuring at least.
From what I know, there haven't been any mass gatherings anywhere over here for the last few days. Stores have implemented clear rules, etc. But you can't avoid everything obviously. A (big?) number of people is still carrying out jobs, both essential and non- essential, where close contact can not be avoided.
I think we need to realise that it is impossible to take measures right now that are 100% effective, it's way too late for that. But that doesn't necessarily have to be a problem: 80 or 90% could/should be enough.
The thing that will always keep bothering me though, is that it really shouldn't have come to this. I do believe the measures that are being taken right now are useful & necessary. But, by definition, you're taking these measures because you didn't act when you had the chance to. It's too late now to solve the issue, so everyone is just scrambling to make it less disastrous.
I'm well aware of risk management & the likes (at least, I should be, it's part of my job
), so I know there's no such thing as zero risks. But I can't shake the feeling that in this case the risks were seriously misinterpreted, on a global level.
I don't know. Imagine 90% of the countries make a statement at the same time saying how everything is going to be shut down in 48h because a virus is coming that killed 0 people. The panic alone would be at least ten times higher than it is right now. People would probably run toward banks first which would result in a catastrophe (economic wise). This way it seems they took a gamble, shutting down bit by bit, infecting people and trying to cure it. Some countries won't handle it surely like Italy couldn't. Dunno, maybe that's just me guessing. But it's really hard for me to digest the "they had no clue what's going to happen" 
I don't know. Imagine 90% of the countries make a statement at the same time saying how everything is going to be shut down in 48h because a virus is coming that killed 0 people. The panic alone would be at least ten times higher than it is right now. People would probably run toward banks first which would result in a catastrophe (economic wise). This way it seems they took a gamble, shutting down bit by bit, infecting people and trying to cure it. Some countries won't handle it surely like Italy couldn't. Dunno, maybe that's just me guessing. But it's really hard for me to digest the "they had no clue what's going to happen"
I'm obviously no expert, but I am yet to be convinced otherwise.
This man is utter scum. It disgusts me that people like this exist, let alone hold positions of power.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Burr
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Burr
