[CL] Juventus - Bayern München (18 Viewers)

[Eire]

maybe zlatan is learning from nedved the over reacting etc.

seriously i totally agree with you zlatan has great natural ability, but when he is playing bad and starting to get frustrated there is no point leaving him on the field when others deserve a chance.

although people here are pissed with cap for defending zlatan again, i think in front of the media it is good for him to protect his player but in private im sure zlatan got told off for his stupiditty that could have cost juve the victory over bayern.

and also i think zlatan himself without anyone saying anything might just realise that he has to start putting in some decent perfomances this season or face been a one season wonder

 

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[Maresca]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++


I gotta say the more matches I watch, the more I get the feeling some of the people here are rather disconnected from reality. First of all it's the thing with treating Del Piero like he's so different from the whole team, discussing his performance everytime. Often he gets stick for being average, whereas many others get away with being average consistently (Nedved anyone?). To me he's just a team player, it's a bit unsettling to have all this focus on him.

Secondly, people's expectations are out of whack. Like tonight we played probably one of the best teams in Europe and we were lucky to win. Reading the forum I get the impression that people expect us to beat them convincingly, like that's the standard we're aiming for. But when I watch big matches like this, it's almost always even and decided by a small margin. People who think tonight's Bayern will be beaten by several goals I find a bit delusional. We played average tonight and we beat a strong team. Conversely, sometimes we beat small clubs playing like shit and the celebration is resounding.

The thing about Ibrahimovic is that most of the time he's fairly average (like tonight). He's very rarely absolute trash (like vs Milan) and he's very rarely very good. Although the spotlight is on him, he is to me quite consistent, far less magical than people have him being. For his style, he has made quite a few enemies around here and not everyone will wish him well, which is sorta understandable, it's the case with controversial players.

I was not gonna expect that if the game in Munich had been so close like the one yesterday. But after I saw the game in Munich, I and many of us hoped to see a juve side which showes bayern that the day in munich has been a bad day, and this was not the case yesterday. I mean I was so disapointed that the fvckin german comentator said, it is not juve who is strong, the bayern did not enough to win. now all the media in germany say: actionly bayern is better if we take both games.

 

[Tifoso_old]

++ [ originally posted by Azzurri7 ] ++


I didn't see him on the bench....He's probably mad at the way he's treated.

i saw him.. the ball went out and he got up from the bench and returned the ball into the pitch

Alex isn't one of those players that get mad about things like that

 

[Maresca]

++ [ originally posted by sateeh ] ++


Great post Martin... Spot on in all counts.

Another thing that pisses me off , is that ppl r happy that Ibra got A red card..this is unacceptable.ppl should see the bigger picture here.

:thumb:

 

[Eire]

++ [ originally posted by Maresca ] ++

I mean I was so disapointed that the fvckin german comentator said, it is not juve who is strong, the bayern did not enough to win. now all the media in germany say: actionly bayern is better if we take both games.

media talk is cheap, in reality their is very little between the two teams it depends on who is on best form on the day, bayern are a good side but so are juve, and rite now juve sit top of group a, there is some cold facts for the german stat buffs

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by Maresca ] ++


I was not gonna expect that if the game in Munich had been so close like the one yesterday. But after I saw the game in Munich, I and many of us hoped to see a juve side which showes bayern that the day in munich has been a bad day, and this was not the case yesterday. I mean I was so disapointed that the fvckin german comentator said, it is not juve who is strong, the bayern did not enough to win. now all the media in germany say: actionly bayern is better if we take both games.

That makes no difference to me. We lost once, we won the other. We beat them twice last year. I don't really care who was the better team, because we got the result we needed. And the only way Bayern can beat us now is to go further in the tournament than we do.

 

[Maresca]

++ [ originally posted by Eire ] ++


media talk is cheap, in reality their is very little between the two teams it depends on who is on best form on the day, bayern are a good side but so are juve, and rite now juve sit top of group a, there is some cold facts for the german stat buffs

I agree that the win is the most important thing. I will celebrate this win infront of my german friend just like they did. I had an advantige, I told them there is still a return game. and now I´ll tell them that we are group first.

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++


That makes no difference to me. We lost once, we won the other. We beat them twice last year. I don't really care who was the better team, because we got the result we needed. And the only way Bayern can beat us now is to go further in the tournament than we do.

You really are a true programmer. It can't get any more systematic than this

 

[Maresca]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++


That makes no difference to me. We lost once, we won the other. We beat them twice last year. I don't really care who was the better team, because we got the result we needed. And the only way Bayern can beat us now is to go further in the tournament than we do.

well, that is right, but we have Viera and Emerson in midfield. we must controll the midfield much better. May be I am overreact because I am in germany and I am pissed off the bayern fans here.

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++


You really are a true programmer. It can't get any more systematic than this

why thank you

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Maresca ] ++


well, that is right, but we have Viera and Emerson in midfield. we must controll the midfield much better. May be I am overreact because I am in germany and I am pissed off the bayern fans here.

Look at it this way, the Milan games last year. We had a draw in Delle Alpi and we won in San Siro. They literally owned us in Delle Alpi but couldn't score as for the game in San Siro it was somehow even and we manged to get a win. However in the end we won the title, they didn't.

 

[Zlatan]

TBH the argument that Bayern lost the game rather than we winning it could be made in our favour in Munich as well.

 

[Maresca]

++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++


Look at it this way, the Milan games last year. We had a draw in Delle Alpi and we won in San Siro. They literally owned us in Delle Alpi but couldn't score as for the game in San Siro it was somehow even and we manged to get a win. However in the end we won the title, they didn't.

agree, but if we want to win the CL, then we can not play the way we did in munich. I hope the our players learned from it.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

I dont know if its just me, but against Milan and Munich I feel like Emerson holds on to the ball for far too long and tends to lose it unnecessarily.

The munich game was just tough, and we won fair and square. We might not have played our best, but we managed to get through our toughest obstacle, by hook or by crook. Thank god.

 

[JCK]

I have a friend who's a football fan and is studying to become a coach at the moment. He is not a Juve fan but he knows that I am. I was on the phone with him this morning and he told me, why does your team have two identical players in the middle?

 

[engonga]

i am so happy that capello has changed his usual tactic
i think that playing with a nedved or mutu behind the two forwards gives us more attacking options.

 

[Gino Genesio]

++ [ originally posted by Espectro ] ++


Wise words... litle harsh, but wise words indeed.

:thumb:

thx bro :thumb:

i am glad there are a view left of us that support zlatan and Delpiero

 

[Rainforest Liu]

3 Chiellini
4 Vieira
6 Kovac
7 Pessotto
8 Emerson
9 Ibrahimovic
10 Del Piero
11 Nedved
12 Chimenti
14 Balzaretti
16 Camoranesi
17 Trezeguet
18 Mutu
19 Zambrotta
20 Blasi
21 Thuram
22 Bonnefoi
23 Giannichedda
25 Zalayeta
28 Cannavaro
32 Abbiati

 

[Eire]

vieira offers a lot more going forward than emerson two very creative assists againts two strong defenses, he is not 1005 yet, but maybe at livorno he will be back to the player we were raving about before his injury.

 

[Rainforest Liu]

"In the recent days I received great feedback from the team, everyone worked right and we want a second chance, thinking back to Munich and obviously to the defeat against Milan". Fabio Capello calls the roll for a prompt recovery, to wipe off the only two false steps taken by Juventus so far in the season: "Both defeats originated from accidental events: the first goal conceded in Munich was a ‘misfortune’ by Abbiati and even the first and third goal against Milan was avoidable. Somewhat the second goals, both conceded against Bayern and at San Siro have something to reveal to us: both came in motionless, thus we must pay more attention in the future".

Right in the free kicks Capello identifies the Germans’ best quality: "Bayern is a steadfast group making the most from inactive balls; also in the last championship games they scored twice over static balls. Presently I believe that they’re the best European team at this. In fact during first leg, two goals apart, Bayern didn’t produce a great deal. We created our chances and Kahn was engaged many times. Tomorrow however we’ll have to be more determined when attacking, reaching goal line more strongly".

Coach Capello will have a selection of good form players: "Yes, except Camoranesi who suffered a blow to the shinbone during Milan’s game. Abbiati again has a minor knee trouble, but he wouldn’t have a problem. Still regarding San Siro’s match, Vieira will be in better shape. Saturday, during the last twenty minutes he probably put up with his recent absence for pubis pain, but I completed number of substitutions. Nevertheless, pain disappeared and he will definitely improve. I’m confident that everybody will play a great match".