[Champions League] Chelsea 1-0 JUVENTUS (02/25/09) (19 Viewers)

[JCK]

Actually Ale has been very good playing in that position this season.

So many times this season Alex has taken this role by himself and so many times I wished there were two forwards in front of him to make a result of his slyness. Alex can give this sly pass but he cannot run fast to receive a loose ball or a continuation of his pass in the box.

 

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[Mike-e-y]

You make seem as if chelsea blew past us today. We had a good enough game, in the second half we were better. Please stop rating players on their invidual talent its a team game, I dont care if a team is made out of 11 WC player. We certainly dont have the best of teams, but we can beat chelsea.

Your misunderstanding me, I'm just saying to this idiot that the team we have is not the team we used to have, that could win medals anywhere.

I actually though we played ok today and were unlucky, we by no means looked inferior to chelsea (even though on an individual and team basis i think we are) and i think we can beat them in Turin.

 

[Rollie]

I agree, we should field Poulsen-Sissoko in the return game. If De Ceglie is back I'd play him on the right wing instead of Marchionni also.

Why De Ceglie on his decidedly off wing over Seba? Sissoko is fundamental, he should be playing in any formation of ours, provided he's healthy.

 

[Bjerknes]

That is the main point in all these arguments going around and people really unhappy about many things with the team, performances, results and even the policies.

We have people who expect us to play like Barcelona and Arsenal, others just want better results while other people want different policies with our player etc..

I'm still trying to figure out who here wants us to play like Barcelona or Arsenal, because no, that's not what I want to see whatsoever. What I want to see is the constructive and efficient ball movement of years past during the Lippi eras.

 

[Cronios]

The problem is though, now WE have to take the initiative. We have to score. If we're too worried about defending and the 70th minute comes along with a scoreboard of 0-0, it will be just like the other matches.

We cant, we can only defend with 4 fellows, who are fielded as soccer team defenders + Sissoko + Neddy + Marchio/Camo + 1/2 of the CM and hope that they will make a mistake and our super forwards will take advantage of it, by themselves in a moment of individual brilliance.
That may work against inferior teams, but not against teams who can sit back, trusting their defense!
If we open up a little more, we will conceded a lot of goals!
Today we tried not concede one and we failed, that was our only priority, if we sacrifice just a bit to push forward, we will concede even more.
We should try and score one goal at the second half, we failed, thats it...

You know how much i hate Capello, but his plan actually had a chance because he had the best defense in the world and two of the best DMs, we could sit back "hoping" that "the goal will come". Now, we can only... open our legs...
We either try to score more than they do, or watch them penetrating our struggling defense...

 

[Alen]

I strongly disagree.

Playing 4-4-2 in the 2nd leg will only allow them to attack us more no matter how you look at it. 4-3-3 is attacking them before they do.

Playing 4-3-3 is the best option and the best formation Ranieri can go for. Why...


1- We will start the game by attacking them, and we better use our chances wisely, which is why 4-3-3 makes much more sense
2- Playing 4-4-2 will tire our forwards more
3- We might need more than a goal in the first half.
4- It's easier when you lead to change your tactics from 4-3-3 to 4-4-2 IMHO.


This is how we should start in the 2nd leg


Buffon

Mellberg - Legro - Chiellini - Molinaro

Marchionni - Sissoko - Marchisio

Amauri - Trezeguet - Del Piero



If Camoranesi is fit, should be ahead of Marco of course.

The three midfielders [Marchionni - Sissoko - Marchisio] Got stamina and are fast speciall Marchisio and Marchionni, therefore it will be an advantage for us.

The problem is we must not concede first and with 4-3-3 we're much more vulnerable. Molinaro and Grygera/Mellberg will have to be perfect because if Chelsea start with 4-5-1 then they'll have 2 more men in midfield and with their very good full backs the presure will be mostly on Moli and the RB. If Chelsea have 5 men in midfield against our 3 we'll surely be taking a huge risk to concede. Plus we'll have a tough time passing through their midfield and we may easily find ourselves in position to play long balls from Chiellini to Amauri and Trez.
I'd think about 4-3-3 only if it's 0:0 until 60th minute.

 

[Enoran]

I also agree that conceding in Torino will be deadly.

Buffon
Mellberg Legrottaglie Chiellini Molinaro
Poulsen Marchisio Sissoko
Del Piero (C)
Trezeguet Amauri​

Like that and Amauri can take on players and beat them on at either wings as he had done so many times before ...

He dribble past Cole and another Chelsea player at the right wing at the 2nd half too ...

 

[Nicholas]

If you could read i said we had 3 WC strikers, so your first statement is cancelled.

Camo is WC but he's injured all the time, so he's only half a player, sissoko is WC but only at destrying, he offeres NOTHING going forward. Tiago is shit

I said 1 WC defeder, molinaro=shit, grygera=shit, mellberg=average, legro=good

I said 1 WC keeper. This is by no means good enough for a team wanting to win a champions league medal, especially when its up against chelsea.

And come on, we're only 2nd in Serie A because the teams around us are equally as poor, milan are pensioners and roma are inconsistant and chokers. We never stood a chance of winning the Serie A crown because we havent got a player that can create anything, there is no point in having 3 WC strikers if they never get the right balls

Ah an anti-Tiago fanboy,he is by no means shit and arguably our only creative midfielder after Gio who never plays so no wonder they get no service,I always thought too we have the same crop of players as last year and more yet we were the one of the highest goalscorers around Europe yet our strikers get no service?.

Serie A is a shit league m8 for sure perhaps you need to watch another league because clearly you think that its only going to be Juve-Inter competing for years to come,have alook at the table and realise Milan are only 2 points off us,next.....

 

[Azzurri7]

So many times this season Alex has taken this role by himself and so many times I wished there were two forwards in front of him to make a result of his slyness. Alex can give this sly pass but he cannot run fast to receive a loose ball or a continuation of his pass in the box.

100%. He's the only one in our team that has got perfect vision and can pass anytime anyday. Therefore your formation makes sense and I would love to see it.

 

[JCK]

Why De Ceglie on his decidedly off wing over Seba? Sissoko is fundamental, he should be playing in any formation of ours, provided he's healthy.

If we play a 4-4-2 and not the formation that I posted then I'd have De Ceglie on the right wing because he's done it before and he can cross.

 

[Ahmed]

good tense game, I think we will definitely fuck 'em up in Turin

 

[Bjerknes]

100% though the problem is we'll start brightly then fade away before being engulfed in a midfield battle and BAM! Before you know it 75 mind has gone.
We should blitz at the start but then use our home advantage to build up play and set camp in their half we can pressure them into a goal. The only thing I'm afaid of is if we turn to that horrible long ball.

The long ball will appear no matter what. We just have to hope we score early to take the scoring pressure off, as it mount up as the minutes ticks on against a team like Chelsea.

 

[JCK]

The problem is we must not concede first and with 4-3-3 we're much more vulnerable. Molinaro and Grygera/Mellberg will have to be perfect because if Chelsea start with 4-5-1 then they'll have 2 more men in midfield and with their very good full backs the presure will be mostly on Moli and the RB. If Chelsea have 5 men in midfield against our 3 we'll surely be taking a huge risk to concede. Plus we'll have a tough time passing through their midfield and we may easily find ourselves in position to play long balls from Chiellini to Amauri and Trez.
I'd think about 4-3-3 only if it's 0:0 until 60th minute.

What do you say about my formation?

 

[Snoop]

I also agree that conceding in Torino will be deadly.

Red mentioned something about the formation that instead of a 4-3-3 we should play a 4-3-1-2 and guess what, I am willing to give Alex another chance on being that 1.

Buffon
Mellberg Legrottaglie Chiellini Molinaro
Poulsen Marchisio Sissoko
Del Piero (C)
Trezeguet Amauri​

In this way we have three deadly players up front who can score any time and we have a solid midfield that will help our cause (keeping a clean sheet) more.

I would absolutely play something close to that, we need to control the midfield with defensive players like those, and we should keep 0-0 that should be our focus and counter attack at the best time, Trezeguet should play from the 1st second, we need his magical finishing., thou I am not sure as well if Del Piero can play that role, would giving that to Camoranesi be better? Then I would play Del Pie instead of Amauri. And use Amauri at the second half if needed.

 

[Azzurri7]

I'd think about 4-3-3 only if it's 0:0 until 60th minute.

Risky, very risky.... but you might be spot on.

 

[JCK]

I would absolutely play something close to that, we need to control the midfield with defensive players like those, and we should keep 0-0 that should be our focus and counter attack at the best time, Trezeguet should play from the 1st second, we need his magical finishing., thou I am not sure as well if Del Piero can play that role, would giving that to Camoranesi be better? Then I would play Del Pie instead of Amauri. And use Amauri at the second half if needed.

Again we come to our disagreement, I will never bench Amauri

 

[Cronios]

good tense game, I think we will definitely fuck 'em up in Turin

Hoping for a 3-1, hat trick by Trezeqoal

 

[Mike-e-y]

Ah an anti-Tiago fanboy,he is by no means shit and arguably our only creative midfielder after Gio who never plays so no wonder they get no service,I always thought too we have the same crop of players as last year and more yet we were the one of the highest goalscorers around Europe yet our strikers get no service?.

Serie A is a shit league m8 for sure perhaps you need to watch another league because clearly you think that its only going to be Juve-Inter competing for years to come,have alook at the table and realise Milan are only 2 points off us,next.....

Yeah tiago is so creative he has created 4 goals in 2 years and has scored 0 goals. A real asset to the cause
Last year camo played more regularly, nedved was a year younger as was del piero, zanetti also played almost every game - he was our most creative player. NEXT PLEASE!

And no serie a is not a shit league, but the top 4 are not as strong as the top 4 of england, that has been proven over the last few years and is mainly attributable to calciopoli and billionaire's swarming the prem. And exactly, milan are only 2 points behind us, so we're not really that amazing are we....

 

[Stephan]

Hoping for a 3-1, hat trick by Trezeqoal

you hope them to score?

 

[PhRoZeN]

okay how about if we played

Brazzo mellberg legro chiellini

at the back?

Im just finding any excuse to take molinaro out of the equation even though regardless what i say i know in two weeks time i will still see him there.