Bible bashing (26 Viewers)

Chxta

Onye kwe, Chi ya ekwe
Nov 1, 2004
12,088
#82
++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++


I agree with you but I fail to understand what is so outrageous about the Quran verses?
A Christian fundamentalist can use those verses in an argument to say that the Prophet (SAW) was intolerant of other religions.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
Moderator
Dec 10, 2004
29,281
#83
++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
Exactly...

Lemme do a quick experiment in some languages here...

How do you do? (English)---->A fa na? (Wafi)---------->Ke ije? (Igbo)-----> Where are you going? (English)

Get the point?
I totally agree with you.

@snoop: I'm was just wondering what those quotes meant. I know that focusing on specific parts of any religious book leads to misinterpretation, because I see people doing it the Qur'an. So I always keep that in mind.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,754
#85
++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Because they are being used as excuses for false "Jihad" as we speak.
All major faiths with written scriptures seem to be subject to a form of internal historical revisionism over the centuries. The same stuff has happened with Christianity.

For example, many religious scholars and leaders justified the crusades and the inquisitions by reinterpreting old scriptures with an intent to seek religious grounds to support their political causes.

Also, hell and the devil were pretty much New Testament concepts. But in fact, most of the detail as referenced today by all the evangelical bible bangers has less to do with what was originally written in holy scriptures and more to do with their re-interpretation after the arrival of poets like Dante and his Comedia and Milton with Paradise Lost.
 

Max

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2003
4,828
#86
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
-- Ezekiel 23:20

This is meant to describe the sins of the flesh for those two prostitutes, whose names I forget. But I want to know who wacked-off the horse in order for an individual to know what a horse's emission is like.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,797
#87
++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


All major faiths with written scriptures seem to be subject to a form of internal historical revisionism over the centuries. The same stuff has happened with Christianity.

For example, many religious scholars and leaders justified the crusades and the inquisitions by reinterpreting old scriptures with an intent to seek religious grounds to support their political causes.

Also, hell and the devil were pretty much New Testament concepts. But in fact, most of the detail as referenced today by all the evangelical bible bangers has less to do with what was originally written in holy scriptures and more to do with their re-interpretation after the arrival of poets like Dante and his Comedia and Milton with Paradise Lost.
Excellent point throughout though I wouldn't put dante and milton in the same sentence. Paradise Lost is a chef d'oeuvres with few equals.
 

scorpion10

Crusader of Justice
Jul 28, 2005
110
#89
I am a muslim and we believe in all people of the book( jews and christians). We believe that the torah came first , than the bible, than the Quran. The problem with the bible is that it is not the original one. If you read the genesis you can tell that no superior being could have created it. In European History we even learned that the real bible was burned by a man with great power and influence who created the trinitarian church. If you want to learn a little more about this, read " Inquries about Islam" by Imam Mohammad Jawad Chirri. You will get a better understsanding about our religion instead of the $&it you hear about on t.v. I didn't even know that much about my religion until. I read it. The interviewer that does the book was christian, so the book is neutral.
 

nedved34

Senior Member
Oct 3, 2002
3,919
#90
++ [ originally posted by scorpion10 ] ++
I am a muslim and we believe in all people of the book( jews and christians). We believe that the torah came first , than the bible, than the Quran. The problem with the bible is that it is not the original one.
Keep you stupid opinion to yourself..
 

Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
22,708
#91
Easy now, snoop. It's a proven fact that books as old as the Bible or the Torah or the Quran are distinctly different from their original versions nowadays because of numerous translations.

Throughout history, books like those suffered wars, fires, floods, corruption, religious conflicts and censorship from their own faithfuls. The original books of the Torah, Quran and the Bible are vastly different from the ones we read today.
 

nedved34

Senior Member
Oct 3, 2002
3,919
#92
++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
Easy now, snoop. It's a proven fact that books as old as the Bible or the Torah or the Quran are distinctly different from their original versions nowadays because of numerous translations.

Throughout history, books like those suffered wars, fires, floods, corruption, religious conflicts and censorship from their own faithfuls. The original books of the Torah, Quran and the Bible are vastly different from the ones we read today.
I know what is his point,something that majority of Muslims believe in this crap like "Bible is fake,the real Bible is similar to the one that written in Quraan,where Jesus is a prophet and not Son of God".
I already heard this crap thousands times :dontcare:
 

mikhail

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2003
9,576
#93
++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
Easy now, snoop. It's a proven fact that books as old as the Bible or the Torah or the Quran are distinctly different from their original versions nowadays because of numerous translations.

Throughout history, books like those suffered wars, fires, floods, corruption, religious conflicts and censorship from their own faithfuls. The original books of the Torah, Quran and the Bible are vastly different from the ones we read today.
I seem to recall Muslims here claiming that the Quran is unaltered and untranslated. The Bible, of couse, isn't a book so much as an omnibus edition of the early holy books of the various Christian cults, with a large number left out for inconsistancies with the then dogma of the unified (ie Roman Empire-controlled) church. Umpteen translations later, there's bound to be a bit of confusion.
 

Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
22,708
#94
Indeed

++ [ originally posted by snoop ] ++
I know what is his point,something that majority of Muslims believe in this crap like "Bible is fake,the real Bible is similar to the one that written in Quraan,where Jesus is a prophet and not Son of God".
I already heard this crap thousands times :dontcare:
Rest assured that anything of the sort is impossible. The Quran too has suffered many human influences. As has everything on this earth.
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
#96
++ [ originally posted by scorpion10 ] ++
I am a muslim and we believe in all people of the book( jews and christians). We believe that the torah came first , than the bible, than the Quran. The problem with the bible is that it is not the original one. If you read the genesis you can tell that no superior being could have created it. In European History we even learned that the real bible was burned by a man with great power and influence who created the trinitarian church. If you want to learn a little more about this, read " Inquries about Islam" by Imam Mohammad Jawad Chirri. You will get a better understsanding about our religion instead of the $&it you hear about on t.v. I didn't even know that much about my religion until. I read it. The interviewer that does the book was christian, so the book is neutral.
Actually, that sounds like some quality reading, I may look into that.

Thanks, my man.
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
#98
++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
Easy now, snoop. It's a proven fact that books as old as the Bible or the Torah or the Quran are distinctly different from their original versions nowadays because of numerous translations.

Throughout history, books like those suffered wars, fires, floods, corruption, religious conflicts and censorship from their own faithfuls. The original books of the Torah, Quran and the Bible are vastly different from the ones we read today.
True, but I heard that there was also a book of the Bible that was written by Jesus, and it was left out because it says that one needs to look only into themselves to find God, God is not found in buildings. Or something similar to that.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I saw him on Portuguese TV last night before the Portugal-Egypt match (he's visiting Portugal right now -- apparently his first formal trip from the Vatican). The man does have the look of the undead. :scared:

If I was five years old again growing up Catholic, it would only take a close-up image of his countenance to scare me into a holy and pious life. Maybe that's what all the white smokers were thinking? ;)
 

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