Bible bashing (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter jaecole
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I don't agree here..Koran's God is maybe similar to the Torah's and much angrier ofcourse (look at Andy's post)..
on the other hand,Christian God is not like that..any kind of killing torturing is not allowd,even if there were "enemies" of christians and christ.. remember when the jews were taking Jesus to jail one of his student atacked the jew with his knife(cuting his ear I think)..then Jesus didn't allow that,and made a miracle.and many similar incidents like this.
Ibianconeri: I don't like those kind of stupid questions,I don't know what u are trying to do anyway..If you will look to these small details,and avoid the rest, we are not going anywhere..
on the other hand,Christian God is not like that..any kind of killing torturing is not allowd,even if there were "enemies" of christians and christ.. remember when the jews were taking Jesus to jail one of his student atacked the jew with his knife(cuting his ear I think)..then Jesus didn't allow that,and made a miracle.and many similar incidents like this.
Ibianconeri: I don't like those kind of stupid questions,I don't know what u are trying to do anyway..If you will look to these small details,and avoid the rest, we are not going anywhere..
Adam and Eve were in Paradise and were kicked out because they did the only thing God told them not to do, showing the vulnerability of man and representing sin. After them, all humans are born with the "original sin" and the way to get rid of it is getting baptised, where they wash away the original sin with water. Also when you get baptised you have a godfather and godmother that promise to guide you spiritually
I'll just do some (bad flu, sore throat and quite sleepy mind you)
The reference is to a plot made by the Apostle's enemies to kill him when he was returning from Tabuk. The plot failed. It was all the more dastardly in that some of the conspirators were among the men of Medina, who were enriched by the general prosperity that followed the peace and good government established through Islam in Medina. Trade flourished: justice was firmly administered with an even hand. And the only return that these men could make was a return of evil for good. That was their revenge, because Islam aimed at suppressing selfishness, stood for the rights of the poorest and humblest, and judged worth by righteousness rather than by birth or position.
This text was from Sura Tauba; the sura in part of its summary:
.....the Byzantine invasion did not come off. But the Apostle took the opportunity of consolidating the Muslim position in that direction and making treaties of alliance with certain Christian and Jewish tribes near the Gulf of Aqaba. On his return to Medina he considered the situation. DUring his absence the Hypocrites had played, as always, a double game, and the policy hitherto followed, of free access to the sacred centre of Islam, to Muslims and Pagans alike, was now altered, as it had been abused by the enemies of Islam.
Taken from Sura Muhammad;
... which deals with the organisation of the Muslim Ummat or community both for external defence and in internal relations. The present Sura deals with the necessity of defence against external foes by courage and strenuous fighting, and dates from about the first year of the Hijra, when the Muslims were under threat of extinction by invasion of Mecca.
When once the fight (Jihad) is entered upon, carry it out with utmost vigour, and strike home your blows at the most vital points. You cannot wage war with kid gloves.
In the first onset there must necessarily be great loss of life: but when the enemy is fairly beaten, which means, in a Jihad, that he is not likely to seek again the persecution of Truth, firm arrangements should be made to bring him under control.
When once the enemy is brought under control, generosity (ie the release of prisoners without ransom) or ransom is recommended
There must've been a mistake; because in the fifth Sura (Maida) the 33-34 is actually:
"The (selfish) soul of the other let him to the murder of his brother: he murdered him, and became (himself) one of the lost ones." (33)
"Then Allah sent a raven, who scratched the ground, to show him how to hide the shame of his brother, 'Woe is me!' said he: 'Was I not even able to be as this raven, and to hide the shame of my brother'? Then he became full of regrets" -
Which is actually a different story altogether.
The reference is to a plot made by the Apostle's enemies to kill him when he was returning from Tabuk. The plot failed. It was all the more dastardly in that some of the conspirators were among the men of Medina, who were enriched by the general prosperity that followed the peace and good government established through Islam in Medina. Trade flourished: justice was firmly administered with an even hand. And the only return that these men could make was a return of evil for good. That was their revenge, because Islam aimed at suppressing selfishness, stood for the rights of the poorest and humblest, and judged worth by righteousness rather than by birth or position.
This text was from Sura Tauba; the sura in part of its summary:
.....the Byzantine invasion did not come off. But the Apostle took the opportunity of consolidating the Muslim position in that direction and making treaties of alliance with certain Christian and Jewish tribes near the Gulf of Aqaba. On his return to Medina he considered the situation. DUring his absence the Hypocrites had played, as always, a double game, and the policy hitherto followed, of free access to the sacred centre of Islam, to Muslims and Pagans alike, was now altered, as it had been abused by the enemies of Islam.
Taken from Sura Muhammad;
... which deals with the organisation of the Muslim Ummat or community both for external defence and in internal relations. The present Sura deals with the necessity of defence against external foes by courage and strenuous fighting, and dates from about the first year of the Hijra, when the Muslims were under threat of extinction by invasion of Mecca.
When once the fight (Jihad) is entered upon, carry it out with utmost vigour, and strike home your blows at the most vital points. You cannot wage war with kid gloves.
In the first onset there must necessarily be great loss of life: but when the enemy is fairly beaten, which means, in a Jihad, that he is not likely to seek again the persecution of Truth, firm arrangements should be made to bring him under control.
When once the enemy is brought under control, generosity (ie the release of prisoners without ransom) or ransom is recommended
There must've been a mistake; because in the fifth Sura (Maida) the 33-34 is actually:
"The (selfish) soul of the other let him to the murder of his brother: he murdered him, and became (himself) one of the lost ones." (33)
"Then Allah sent a raven, who scratched the ground, to show him how to hide the shame of his brother, 'Woe is me!' said he: 'Was I not even able to be as this raven, and to hide the shame of my brother'? Then he became full of regrets" -
Which is actually a different story altogether.
Problem is that both Jaecole's texts from the Bible, and Andy's from Al-Qu'ran were taken just contextually.
It has been my experiance of (not only) religious books that when you just focus on a sentence or verse, you tend to draw interpretations that are rather different from those you draw if you just sit down and read the whole passage.
It has been my experiance of (not only) religious books that when you just focus on a sentence or verse, you tend to draw interpretations that are rather different from those you draw if you just sit down and read the whole passage.
I just took the Italian La Nuova Diodati opening of Genesis and passed it through Google trans. Got some real head-scratchers like this:
6 Then GOD said: "there is a firmament between the waters that separates waters from waters".
7 and GOD it made the firmament and it separated the waters that were under the firmament from the waters that were over the firmament. And therefore it was.
8 and GOD "sky" called the firmament. Therefore it was evening, then was morning: according to day.
6 Then GOD said: "there is a firmament between the waters that separates waters from waters".
7 and GOD it made the firmament and it separated the waters that were under the firmament from the waters that were over the firmament. And therefore it was.
8 and GOD "sky" called the firmament. Therefore it was evening, then was morning: according to day.
