Btw, it's astonishing how every single prison in Europe is full of Balkans 
Not just that the whole Europe hates us but probably there is no place in the world where every neighbour country hates each other.
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It's really sad, a friend of mine who studied in Italy was telling me that when people asked him and a Serbian student where they came from they had to lie and say USA, Argentina or places like these or else people would look strange or even get away from them.
Not just that the whole Europe hates us but probably there is no place in the world where every neighbour country hates each other.
Not just that the whole Europe hates us but probably there is no place in the world where every neighbour country hates each other.
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Refreshing to read the thoughts of someone who actually understands the situation.
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Nah, (some of) his points are being destroyed because he insists to talk about stuff he doesn't (& can't) understand 
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IMO Andy should finally start saving some money, make a trip to Europe, attend one match and shut everyone's mouths once and for all.
It's been years how many of his points are being destroyed with the well known "You've never been to Europe" reply
It's been years how many of his points are being destroyed with the well known "You've never been to Europe" reply
-Like mexicans in Arizona, they sneaked in our country and started to multiply so fast. When we saw to problem we start to react, but it was to late. They were suported by America. Soon began bombing of Serbia, 1999.
-because we are the ex-communists, and we have war here in 90'. Soon we got sanctions and we start starving. Then we steal food and kill a couple of people for it and they described as bad. But we were starving
-The other thing.
-because we are the ex-communists, and we have war here in 90'. Soon we got sanctions and we start starving. Then we steal food and kill a couple of people for it and they described as bad. But we were starving
-The other thing.
-Like mexicans in Arizona, they sneaked in our country and started to multiply so fast. When we saw to problem we start to react, but it was to late. They were suported by America. Soon began bombing of Serbia, 1999.
React? Yes you did by killing more 10.000 civilians and deported more than 1mln from their homes just in 1998-99 not to mention in the past.
Do you think they would have let the Serbs into the stadium if this was Anfield or Old Trafford? History suggests that it might not be entirely appropriate to send unruly fans into a venue, especially after Hillsborough, but perhaps that's just me. It just seems like you're going to ignite the situation even more, especially if they go into the stadium without being checked. It's absurd.
Maybe you are right in that they contain the Serbs better in the stadium, but the situation shouldn't have gotten that bad in the first place. That's why Italian officials deserve some blame as well. They saw a freight train coming several kilometers away but didn't remove themselves from the tracks.
They did have prior knowledge. And anybody who follows European football knows that Serb ultras tend to cause trouble, especially after recent events in and out of football.
I'm working on it.
Maybe you are right in that they contain the Serbs better in the stadium, but the situation shouldn't have gotten that bad in the first place. That's why Italian officials deserve some blame as well. They saw a freight train coming several kilometers away but didn't remove themselves from the tracks.
They did have prior knowledge. And anybody who follows European football knows that Serb ultras tend to cause trouble, especially after recent events in and out of football.
IMO Andy should finally start saving some money, make a trip to Europe, attend one match and shut everyone's mouths once and for all.
It's been years how many of his points are being destroyed with the well known "You've never been to Europe" reply
It's been years how many of his points are being destroyed with the well known "You've never been to Europe" reply
Speaking of Serbia and whatnot, ESPN had a most excellent documentary on their "30 for 30" specials last night in regards to the friendhip between Vlade Divac and Drazen petrovic, and how it crumbled in the early 90's. Excellent stuff that you all should check out.
I forgot just how good Petrovic was.
I forgot just how good Petrovic was.
Andy, there is a difference between run of the mill trouble (which Italians are well used to) and being faced with fans who are actively attempting to have a game abandoned.
Unless the Italian authorities were told that there was going to be more trouble than they would expect from Serbia, because I'm sure they expected some trouble, I don't see what else could be done.
I don't know how British police would have dealt with the same situation. British police, however, specialise in liasing with their foreign counterparts to try to foresee difficulties in advance.
Unless the Italian authorities were told that there was going to be more trouble than they would expect from Serbia, because I'm sure they expected some trouble, I don't see what else could be done.
I don't know how British police would have dealt with the same situation. British police, however, specialise in liasing with their foreign counterparts to try to foresee difficulties in advance.
No, the Italian police did not have knowledge of the planned trouble, that much is very clear.
Yes, they did have the knowledge that everyone has, that Serbia might potentially be trouble, which is why they police had provisions like they do in most high profile games. The scale of the trouble and it's organisation was absolutely not available to the Italian police.
Yes, they did have the knowledge that everyone has, that Serbia might potentially be trouble, which is why they police had provisions like they do in most high profile games. The scale of the trouble and it's organisation was absolutely not available to the Italian police.
No, it's not very clear. Serbian officials claim they warned the Italians several times, the Italians claimed they were not warned. It's the typical, "he said, she said" scenario. Who knows what really happened.
But I highly doubt the Serbian FA would refuse to tell FIGC about the trouble considering they know that any abandoned match would probably result in them being sanctioned.
Whatever the case, the burden of improving security inside and outside of the stadium, along with providing a suitable environment where fathers will want to bring their kids to a match, rests solely on Italy to do so. They can't rely on UEFA, Serbia, or anybody else to address this issue. For the good of Italian football, they best act.
But I highly doubt the Serbian FA would refuse to tell FIGC about the trouble considering they know that any abandoned match would probably result in them being sanctioned.
Whatever the case, the burden of improving security inside and outside of the stadium, along with providing a suitable environment where fathers will want to bring their kids to a match, rests solely on Italy to do so. They can't rely on UEFA, Serbia, or anybody else to address this issue. For the good of Italian football, they best act.
I like how suddenly Serbia are morally superior to Italy now, and how Italy has to deal with its problems lol. Like the minister pointed out, a lot of work has gone into the Italian matchday process, there are fan passports that most countries do not have, but don't expect a lot to change from the Serbian side because these guys are ingrained into their sport and criminal/political structure.
If Serbia really cared about stopping these hooligans they would do what other FA's do, like in England where hooligans on the FA and UEFA lists have to hand their passports in and also sign in on the date of every match day England play. But they don't want the trouble. After all, if the Serbian abandonment was in any way endorsed by central figures then why not pick the game that on paper they are most likely to lose from any game in their group anyway. The fact it is Italy and the police can always predictably take the blame is ideal.
If Serbia really cared about stopping these hooligans they would do what other FA's do, like in England where hooligans on the FA and UEFA lists have to hand their passports in and also sign in on the date of every match day England play. But they don't want the trouble. After all, if the Serbian abandonment was in any way endorsed by central figures then why not pick the game that on paper they are most likely to lose from any game in their group anyway. The fact it is Italy and the police can always predictably take the blame is ideal.
