Antonio Conte (113 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

Marotta was the best possible manager for the first two seasons, as his signings allowed conte to win the things he won, and his handeling of the financial part, allows us now to build on a solid base with good wage structure, rather then be a bunch of sellers like milan.

Dissing marotta based on the first season, only means you dont understand the situation of juventus and its finances really well. And thats saying it very politely

 

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[Jem83]

I much prefer the non-polite version, Zach.

If you would be so obliging?

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

It was Palazzi who asked for the plea bargain to get three months, which is what the lawyers agreed to, but the disciplinary committee decided to make it 10 months for reasons still unknown. So in short it didn't really matter what they did.

Conte's treatment wasn't the same as any other player or individual.

Yeah they never really did explain why the original 3 months became 10, did they? What a farce the sporting judicial system is in Italy.

 

[baggio]

Marotta was the best possible manager for the first two seasons, as his signings allowed conte to win the things he won, and his handeling of the financial part, allows us now to build on a solid base with good wage structure, rather then be a bunch of sellers like milan.

Dissing marotta based on the first season, only means you dont understand the situation of juventus and its finances really well. And thats saying it very politely

Youre right. I dint understand Juventus' financial situation. Given that he bought, what, eleven new players here in his first season?! They all must've come free. Clearly I don't understand. And you do, given you know what the board thinks and wants.

I've been here way too many times to bother going over it again. I will always believe that Conte won his first scudetto against the odds, because of his coaching methods rather than the team he had at his disposal. Feel free to disagree and credit it to Marrotta. No problem.

 

[MikeM]

Marotta changed like 30 players in 2 or 3 seasons. Because we were that bad. Not easy to do that with 100% accuracy you know.

 

[Zacheryah]

Discard it ? Hell no.

I'm the one saying, it was both marotta and conte


You, are acting like conte got a bunch of serie b players, and turned them into world class players.


Marotta did great for the financial aspect of the team, and got keyplayers at very good deals for conte's juve.

 

[baggio]

Marotta changed like 30 players in 2 or 3 seasons. Because we were that bad. Not easy to do that with 100% accuracy you know.

Yes, so signing 30 new players is how you make yourself better?! First we say we don't have the money, then we justify 30 new players over 2-3 seasons as being needed coz we were that bad. I don't like getting into these debates coz they're repetitive.

He was clueless in his first season here. He hired a coach (DN) who played 442 and didn't even give him the base of players needed for that formation: fullbacks and wingers. We got rid of guys like Diego and Trez to replace them with people like DiNatale (who rejected us!) and Boriello before signing Quag. We didn't have the resources apparently, and we replaced people who didn't need replacing while ignoring the players that did.

 

[K.O.]

Yes, so signing 30 new players is how you make yourself better?! First we say we don't have the money, then we justify 30 new players over 2-3 seasons as being needed coz we were that bad. I don't like getting into these debates coz they're repetitive.

He was clueless in his first season here. He hired a coach (DN) who played 442 and didn't even give him the base of players needed for that formation: fullbacks and wingers. We got rid of guys like Diego and Trez to replace them with people like DiNatale (who rejected us!) and Boriello before signing Quag. We didn't have the resources apparently, and we replaced people who didn't need replacing while ignoring the players that did.

 

[Fint]

According to SKY, Conte has asked the club for the return of Giampiero Ventrone (Member of the Juve staff from 1994 to 2004) to Juventus.

Not sure what his precise role was, can anyone enlighten me?

 

[JuveJay]

We got rid of guys like Diego and Trez to replace them with people like DiNatale (who rejected us!) and Boriello before signing Quag.

Under Marotta we got rid of Diego, Trezeguet, Cannavaro, Nedved, Del Piero and Camoranesi, I'm sure you see my point.

 

[Vlad]

Yes, so signing 30 new players is how you make yourself better?! First we say we don't have the money, then we justify 30 new players over 2-3 seasons as being needed coz we were that bad. I don't like getting into these debates coz they're repetitive.

He was clueless in his first season here. He hired a coach (DN) who played 442 and didn't even give him the base of players needed for that formation: fullbacks and wingers. We got rid of guys like Diego and Trez to replace them with people like DiNatale (who rejected us!) and Boriello before signing Quag. We didn't have the resources apparently, and we replaced people who didn't need replacing while ignoring the players that did.

I believe Agnelli brought them both. They were successful at Sampdoria year before.

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According to SKY, Conte has asked the club for the return of Giampiero Ventrone (Member of the Juve staff from 1994 to 2004) to Juventus.

Not sure what his precise role was, can anyone enlighten me?

Fitness coach.

 

[JuveJay]

According to SKY, Conte has asked the club for the return of Giampiero Ventrone (Member of the Juve staff from 1994 to 2004) to Juventus.

Not sure what his precise role was, can anyone enlighten me?

Famous athletic coach, think he worked with Lippi for Italy as well.

 

[Fint]

Good news then

 

[baggio]

Discard it ? Hell no.

I'm the one saying, it was both marotta and conte


You, are acting like conte got a bunch of serie b players, and turned them into world class players.


Marotta did great for the financial aspect of the team, and got keyplayers at very good deals for conte's juve.

No. I'm not saying that. I'm saying Conte didn't have the best players and won the scudetto against the odds. for eg. If anybody thinks that Barzagli and Pirlo would turn out the way they did when Marrotta signed them, then they are geniuses. Barzagli is the best defender on the team for my money, but I credit that to Conte coz the player was got here as Legrottaglie's replacement, not a starter. When we failed in the Alves deal, Conte had no option and used the player and got the best out of him. Same goes for Bonnucci. Marrotta bought him for 15.5m and was ready to trade him in the first window after Conte's arrival. Conte blocked that move if you remember the player's interview. Same goes for Pepe, another player Marrotta was willing to get rid of, one season after buying him for 10m. All these guys were instrumental in that scudetto, and I definitely give credit to Conte for that. Marrotta has made good investments too, but he has always failed to make the final leap. That's a big reason why you see Conte's outburst at the end of the season. The same exact team under someone else, last year wouldn't have won the scudetto. Conte is the reason this team is growing at such a rate, perhaps two-three years faster than it was meant to see the success we've achieved. No two ways about it for me, personally.

 

[Fint]

I'm curious baggio, what is your wpm speed?

 

[Vlad]

No. I'm not saying that. I'm saying Conte didn't have the best players and won the scudetto against the odds. for eg. If anybody thinks that Barzagli and Pirlo would turn out the way they did when Marrotta signed them, then they are geniuses. Barzagli is the best defender on the team for my money, but I credit that to Conte coz the player was got here as Legrottaglie's replacement, not a starter. When we failed in the Alves deal, Conte had no option and used the player and got the best out of him. Same goes for Bonnucci. Marrotta bought him for 15.5m and was ready to trade him in the first window after Conte's arrival. Conte blocked that move if you remember the player's interview. Same goes for Pepe, another player Marrotta was willing to get rid of, one season after buying him for 10m. All these guys were instrumental in that scudetto, and I definitely give credit to Conte for that. Marrotta has made good investments too, but he has always failed to make the final leap. That's a big reason why you see Conte's outburst at the end of the season. The same exact team under someone else, last year wouldn't have won the scudetto. Conte is the reason this team is growing at such a rate, perhaps two-three years faster than it was meant to see the success we've achieved. No two ways about it for me, personally.

Conte founded this club. Before him there were no Juventus. If he didn't come we would've never won Scudetto...
I think you're slightly exaggerating man. To praise him is one thing but you're taking it to another level.

 

[baggio]

Under Marotta we got rid of Diego, Trezeguet, Cannavaro, Nedved, Del Piero and Camoranesi, I'm sure you see my point.

I don't actually.

I believe Agnelli brought them both. They were successful at Sampdoria year before.

Before Conte was hired we'd even considered AVB, but AA stepped in and closed Conte. Marrotta wanted Mazzarri because they'd worked together before, quite like Beppe and Luigi DelNeri worked together at Samp.

 

[JuveJay]

Conte founded this club. Before him there were no Juventus. If he didn't come we would never won Scudetto...
I think you're slightly exaggerating man. To praise him is one thing but you're taking it to another level.

In short, Agnelli takes all the credit.

 

[baggio]

I'm curious baggio, what is your wpm speed?

pretty good actually bro, that too considering I'm using the pad right now.

Conte founded this club. Before him there were no Juventus. If he didn't come we would never won Scudetto...
I think you're slightly exaggerating man. To praise him is one thing but you're taking it to another level.

Not at all bro.

I see both for their strengths and weaknesses. I think Conte has weaknesses too but it is clear as day that he has been the primary catalyst and is the reason we are ahead of the curve in our five year cycle. Marrotta has made some very shrewd deals but off the two Conte has impressed me more. Much more.

 

[Fake Melo]

Conte wants Ventrone

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