Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (45 Viewers)

[Ken]

I want Del Piero to stay, but at the same time I wouldn't stand another season with him on the bench. Not good for us and certainly not good for him who probably wants to play more.

Ultimately, that's how pretty much everyone will feel. People are angry at the way it was handled, angry because he said he would've played another year and simply sad because of him leaving after so many years, but in the end, it is probably the best time for him to leave.

How likely is it we win the CL next year? Or win the Scudetto without a single loss? He went out on a high.. Even less playing time for Ale, assuming we buy some top striker would've been horrible for him and the fans.

Don't get me wrong though, I weeped like a little boy yesterday and was pretty much angry at the whole world when he said his goodbyes.

 

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[Elvin]

I think later on, in retrospective everybody will accept that this was indeed a perfect farewell...

 

[baggio]

There's an interesting theory in Hoori's post on the previous page, but I have a contention with a point raised there. Agreed, that AA is willing to come across as the bad cop for the sake of the bigger picture and the club. But I don't agree at all, that this was done because of the next big investment we'd be making. Like Hoori said, it was a decision we made in November, a gamble, not knowing we'd be here today. We could've ended up out of a CL place again, and that wouldve meant no star signing. Whther for the lack of funds or the lack of being an attractive option to top talent. The reason for Del Piero's ouster could be many. Irrespective, even if I'm willing to grant Andrea the fact that he did it for the good of the club, and Ale, in the long run - I will always grudge him for the way he handled the situation. The fact of the matter is, that Alex will be remembered much longer than AA, and he only deserved the dignity of leaving the club, if not on his own terms, then in a more graceful way that heralded his contribution to our history. I don't mean the club needed to give him a trophy after every game, I just mean that AA and ADP sat across the press and Juve fans and expressed this to have been a mutual decision, that too at the end of the season just so that everybody knew and didn't debate this to the extent we did. It was not too much to ask for. As a fan of the club, and as a fan of the player.

This should've never been a talking point on the biggest day we've had after 6 long years of turmoil. But it was. Andrea Agnelli is to be blamed for that. Not us.

Hindsight is 20/20, and its hard to keep perspective right now, but I have aligned myself to the fact that there could've been no better send off for Alex than have him lift our 30th title after scoring a goal in his last game in front of his home crowd, and follow that up by playing one last time in the Coppa italia final. It couldn't have been a more fairy tale ending.

What hurts is, that our very own President, a man that was seemingly close to the club, didn't script this ending. Fortunately for him, and everybody involved, a Scudetto title did.

 

[Fake Melo]

Wow Hoori, that was an excellent post, although I am not sure that I agree. The way AA handled this whole case has left me baffled. At first I thought he handled it badly and he agreed with Ale last season that this was going to be the last one... But ok, he made a mistake, why not fix it? say "Ale and I agreed it was his last season, but Ale has reconsidered and wants to stay... He can stay as long as he wants."

I don't believe the jealousy theory because it just doesn't make sense. Would have bought it if Andrea Agnelli was a player himself.

I thank AA for everything he has done for us these last two years, but I after Gigi leaves, I am never going to get emotionally attached to any player. I am getting too old for these kind of heartbreaks.

 

[baggio]

If you're old for this hearbtreak, imagine guys like me who have seen Ale play for 16-17 years of his 19 at Juventus. And bought every jersey with his name, espesh after Baggio retired.

 

[Jem83]

Melo, the sentimentality stuff gets even worse with age. Hate to break it to you

 

[Snoop]

While we (including myself) blamed Andrea for this decision. Conte can be the reason for his departure. If you saw the match carefully yesterday, while he was coming off the bench, he didn't shake Conte's hand or even look at him, while he did to everyone including Juve staff on the bench.. Only later he gave back a cold hug to Conte after touring the whole pitch..

Reading his interview also, when he was asked how was his relation with Conte, he said "good, BUT there were some tough moments, but I don't want to blame anyone" he gave us some hints there..

This is my opinion, and not fact. Maybe something happened back then, at the times when Agnelli announced his departure months ago. For lack of playing maybe? Maybe Ale wasn't happy about it?

It sucks, but if Del Piero had problems with Conte because of Conte's tactical choices, then we just can't blame anyone, and specially Agnelli..

Agnelli's only mistake was that unnecessary announcement which was so soon..


I can't think of any other reason. If Conte and Del Piero were happy about the situation, and if both didn't have any problems with it, and if it was only Agnelli's decision, then all the blame goes on Andrea. If it was Conte's decision, no one should say a word about it..

 

[Jem83]

Here's an idea. Why not blame anyone at all? He's turning 38, which is alot for a striker. Him leaving would've had to have been either now, next season or at the very most the next season after that.

First option = The perfect ending with him lifting the trophy on his final day.
Second option = He wouldn't feature much, maybe just a handful of minutes.
Third option = He wouldn't feature at all. Yes, it's Del Piero, but if you're pushing 40, as a striker, I don't think you're gonna see any playing time at Juventus, no matter who you are.

Gutted that he won't be part of our team anymore, but I'm so happy for the fact that, 1 year from now, 5 years from now, 20 years from now, my final memories of Del Piero will be of that big smile on his face, holding the trophy aloft!

 

[king Ale]

There's an interesting theory in Hoori's post on the previous page, but I have a contention with a point raised there. Agreed, that AA is willing to come across as the bad cop for the sake of the bigger picture and the club. But I don't agree at all, that this was done because of the next big investment we'd be making. Like Hoori said, it was a decision we made in November, a gamble, not knowing we'd be here today. We could've ended up out of a CL place again, and that wouldve meant no star signing. Whther for the lack of funds or the lack of being an attractive option to top talent. The reason for Del Piero's ouster could be many. Irrespective, even if I'm willing to grant Andrea the fact that he did it for the good of the club, and Ale, in the long run - I will always grudge him for the way he handled the situation. The fact of the matter is, that Alex will be remembered much longer than AA, and he only deserved the dignity of leaving the club, if not on his own terms, then in a more graceful way that heralded his contribution to our history. I don't mean the club needed to give him a trophy after every game, I just mean that AA and ADP sat across the press and Juve fans and expressed this to have been a mutual decision, that too at the end of the season just so that everybody knew and didn't debate this to the extent we did. It was not too much to ask for. As a fan of the club, and as a fan of the player.

This should've never been a talking point on the biggest day we've had after 6 long years of turmoil. But it was. Andrea Agnelli is to be blamed for that. Not us.

Hindsight is 20/20, and its hard to keep perspective right now, but I have aligned myself to the fact that there could've been no better send off for Alex than have him lift our 30th title after scoring a goal in his last game in front of his home crowd, and follow that up by playing one last time in the Coppa italia final. It couldn't have been a more fairy tale ending.

What hurts is, that our very own President, a man that was seemingly close to the club, didn't script this ending. Fortunately for him, and everybody involved, a Scudetto title did.

While we (including myself) blamed Andrea for this decision. Conte can be the reason for his departure. If you saw the match carefully yesterday, while he was coming off the bench, he didn't shake Conte's hand or even look at him, while he did to everyone including Juve staff on the bench.. Only later he gave back a cold hug to Conte after touring the whole pitch..

Reading his interview also, when he was asked how was his relation with Conte, he said "good, BUT there were some tough moments, but I don't want to blame anyone" he gave us some hints there..

This is my opinion, and not fact. Maybe something happened back then, at the times when Agnelli announced his departure months ago. For lack of playing maybe? Maybe Ale wasn't happy about it?

It sucks, but if Del Piero had problems with Conte because of Conte's tactical choices, then we just can't blame anyone, and specially Agnelli..

Agnelli's only mistake was that unnecessary announcement which was so soon..


I can't think of any other reason. If Conte and Del Piero were happy about the situation, and if both didn't have any problems with it, and if it was only Agnelli's decision, then all the blame goes on Andrea. If it was Conte's decision, no one should say a word about it..

Alex is not approved of the decision, neither am I. He is sure that he won't cause any problem on the bench and so am I. Knowing him, I have no doubt that he prefers to sit on the bench and fight for getting playing time, I know he wanted a final year of CL football, I'm sure he wanted to retire at Juve. That's why I can never be a supporter of this club anymore again. Alex feels he's being forced out of the club and it's not his fault that the pressure of his name, popularity and status is too big to easily handle by the newly signed star player. Personally, I think the board could let him stay for as long as he wishes and STILL try to get the new project/objectives done but they opted for a solution which might seem easier at first glance but required them to take a big risk. I can understand them, so should Juve fans because trying to give them the benefit of the doubt is the least you can do for this glorious year they have gifted to you.

 

[.AB.]

While we (including myself) blamed Andrea for this decision. Conte can be the reason for his departure. If you saw the match carefully yesterday, while he was coming off the bench, he didn't shake Conte's hand or even look at him, while he did to everyone including Juve staff on the bench.. Only later he gave back a cold hug to Conte after touring the whole pitch..

Reading his interview also, when he was asked how was his relation with Conte, he said "good, BUT there were some tough moments, but I don't want to blame anyone" he gave us some hints there..

This is my opinion, and not fact. Maybe something happened back then, at the times when Agnelli announced his departure months ago. For lack of playing maybe? Maybe Ale wasn't happy about it?

It sucks, but if Del Piero had problems with Conte because of Conte's tactical choices, then we just can't blame anyone, and specially Agnelli..

Agnelli's only mistake was that unnecessary announcement which was so soon..


I can't think of any other reason. If Conte and Del Piero were happy about the situation, and if both didn't have any problems with it, and if it was only Agnelli's decision, then all the blame goes on Andrea. If it was Conte's decision, no one should say a word about it..

It might not have been AA's decision at all. Maybe it was Conte or Morrata and AA just respected their decision.

Here's an idea. Why not blame anyone at all? He's turning 38, which is alot for a striker. Him leaving would've had to have been either now, next season or at the very most the next season after that.

First option = The perfect ending with him lifting the trophy on his final day.
Second option = He wouldn't feature much, maybe just a handful of minutes.
Third option = He wouldn't feature at all. Yes, it's Del Piero, but if you're pushing 40, as a striker, I don't think you're gonna see any playing time at Juventus, no matter who you are.

Gutted that he won't be part of our team anymore, but I'm so happy for the fact that, 1 year from now, 5 years from now, 20 years from now, my final memories of Del Piero will be of that big smile on his face, holding the trophy aloft!

 

[I am John]

Here's an idea. Why not blame anyone at all? He's turning 38, which is alot for a striker. Him leaving would've had to have been either now, next season or at the very most the next season after that.

First option = The perfect ending with him lifting the trophy on his final day.
Second option = He wouldn't feature much, maybe just a handful of minutes.
Third option = He wouldn't feature at all. Yes, it's Del Piero, but if you're pushing 40, as a striker, I don't think you're gonna see any playing time at Juventus, no matter who you are.

Gutted that he won't be part of our team anymore, but I'm so happy for the fact that, 1 year from now, 5 years from now, 20 years from now, my final memories of Del Piero will be of that big smile on his face, holding the trophy aloft!

Grande

 

[PhRoZeN]

Here's an idea. Why not blame anyone at all? He's turning 38, which is alot for a striker. Him leaving would've had to have been either now, next season or at the very most the next season after that.

First option = The perfect ending with him lifting the trophy on his final day.
Second option = He wouldn't feature much, maybe just a handful of minutes.
Third option = He wouldn't feature at all. Yes, it's Del Piero, but if you're pushing 40, as a striker, I don't think you're gonna see any playing time at Juventus, no matter who you are.

Gutted that he won't be part of our team anymore, but I'm so happy for the fact that, 1 year from now, 5 years from now, 20 years from now, my final memories of Del Piero will be of that big smile on his face, holding the trophy aloft!

Exactly. We need to look forward as a club. DP will forever remain as a legend but we seem to think his still young. Time to move out from the past and look forward to a new Juventus. DP has helped to start off a new future, its time the others learned from his inspiration and leadership and we go on to being regular champions.

 

[KB824]

Hoori, you are a gem.

A diamond.

 

[PiN7uRiCCHi0]

Hindsight is 20/20, and its hard to keep perspective right now, but I have aligned myself to the fact that there could've been no better send off for Alex than have him lift our 30th title after scoring a goal in his last game in front of his home crowd, and follow that up by playing one last time in the Coppa italia final. It couldn't have been a more fairy tale ending.

Exactly what I keep telling myself. Looking at it this way sheds new light on the whole picture. It really is the (almost) perfect ending to a wonderful love story.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

 

[ALC]

wtf?

 

[Ahmed]

Soviet humor.

 

[enzo]

There's an interesting theory in Hoori's post on the previous page, but I have a contention with a point raised there. Agreed, that AA is willing to come across as the bad cop for the sake of the bigger picture and the club. But I don't agree at all, that this was done because of the next big investment we'd be making. Like Hoori said, it was a decision we made in November, a gamble, not knowing we'd be here today. We could've ended up out of a CL place again, and that wouldve meant no star signing. Whther for the lack of funds or the lack of being an attractive option to top talent. The reason for Del Piero's ouster could be many. Irrespective, even if I'm willing to grant Andrea the fact that he did it for the good of the club, and Ale, in the long run - I will always grudge him for the way he handled the situation. The fact of the matter is, that Alex will be remembered much longer than AA, and he only deserved the dignity of leaving the club, if not on his own terms, then in a more graceful way that heralded his contribution to our history. I don't mean the club needed to give him a trophy after every game, I just mean that AA and ADP sat across the press and Juve fans and expressed this to have been a mutual decision, that too at the end of the season just so that everybody knew and didn't debate this to the extent we did. It was not too much to ask for. As a fan of the club, and as a fan of the player.

This should've never been a talking point on the biggest day we've had after 6 long years of turmoil. But it was. Andrea Agnelli is to be blamed for that. Not us.

Hindsight is 20/20, and its hard to keep perspective right now, but I have aligned myself to the fact that there could've been no better send off for Alex than have him lift our 30th title after scoring a goal in his last game in front of his home crowd, and follow that up by playing one last time in the Coppa italia final. It couldn't have been a more fairy tale ending.

What hurts is, that our very own President, a man that was seemingly close to the club, didn't script this ending. Fortunately for him, and everybody involved, a Scudetto title did.

Couldn't have said it better. I will never understand how the could fail so horribly in so many ways dealing with this situation.

 

[enzo]

Alex feels he's being forced out of the club and it's not his fault that the pressure of his name, popularity and status is too big to easily handle by the newly signed star player. Personally, I think the board could let him stay for as long as he wishes and STILL try to get the new project/objectives done but they opted for a solution which might seem easier at first glance but required them to take a big risk. I can understand them, so should Juve fans because trying to give them the benefit of the doubt is the least you can do for this glorious year they have gifted to you.

First: Yes, it's the easier way to go, but that's not any player, it's Del Piero. He stayed with us in the toughest times and now the opt for the easiest way. Gianni must be hauntin Andrea in his dreams.

Second: What I fear most is, that you are 100% right. He feels forced out of the club and eventually will not return as Nedved did. That's a thought I cannot take. It constantly keeps bringing back the pain of the last weeks.

 

[JuveJay]

Soviet humor.

With a distinctly Japanese flavour. Ainu humour, perhaps.