Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (63 Viewers)

Luca

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Apr 22, 2007
12,750
“If we got a massive offer for someone like Pogba would we be able to retain him? I don’t know. Look at Milan, they had to let Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva go. Yes, you can be an attractive club, but you also need to have the economic strength to compete."

From juventus.com
We all knew that this was bound be the case anyway. Though it's disappointing to hear Agnelli give the game away so early and so easily. This is bound to be detrimental to the amount of money that we could recoup for Paul. And here I was thinking we were sitting on some type of Cavani scenario.
 

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Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,175
Ah yes, the answer to everything: just throw more money at it. Let's not look at the reality of the situation, but inject more money into the club.

Moar.

MOAR.

MOOOAAAAR!
No. Let's just always play 2'nd fiddle to the likes of Barca, Madrid, Bayern, United, and the plastic clubs like Chelsea and City for the next decade or two.
 

Azim1980

New Member
Dec 21, 2012
1
Then why is he saying some of our current crop of star players, namely Paul Pogba could/would be sold if the right bid came? Isnt he supposed to say no, as Pogba hasnt got a desire to leave and frankly, why would he and why would we really want to, as we are financially stable!
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,891
I don't like him, and I don't trust him.

He has done well so far, but certain things could've been handled better. Also, that other $#@!er who cares more about cricket and Formula 1 should have a more active role, and inject more money into the club.

I hear a lot of people talking about copying the Bayern model, but I see us becoming more of a Dortmund, especially if the league doesn't wake the $#@! up.
But that would be very unlike the Bayern model,more like the Chelsea/PSG model as Bayern board dont 'inject' money into the club.They spend what they earn.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,882
No. Let's just always play 2'nd fiddle to the likes of Barca, Madrid, Bayern, United, and the plastic clubs like Chelsea and City for the next decade or two.
But you want us to be a plastic club:

I am all for selling the club to a rich foreign investor tbh (if the price is right, and there is an ambitious project at hand).

Besides, what's with the always playing second fiddle? You must not have noticed the surreal progress we have made over the past few years.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,175
I have obviously noticed, and I am impressed. The next step is the real challenge. The transition from domestic powerhouse to a serious contender in Europe, and then a bonafide European heavyweight. The question is, how long before we actually make an impact in Europe? Serie A is a fast declining league, and in all honesty, winning the Serie A title doesn't have the same resonance and prestige it did in the past.

I want us to be able to compete with the European heavyweights once again. However, is it going to take 5 or 20 years?

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But that would be very unlike the Bayern model,more like the Chelsea/PSG model as Bayern board dont 'inject' money into the club.They spend what they earn.
Bayern are retaining their best players; they don't sell anyone, and build on what they have. I'd be satisfied with that, as long as we continue adding pieces, without losing the talent and quality our disposal. Losing a Padoin, Matri, or Giacherrini is fine, as they can easily be replaced. However, losing a Vidal or Pogba would most definitely set us back.

I don't want us to spend like crazy a la PSG, Monaco, Chelsea, or City, but we don't have to be frugal at all times either. A good balance is required, and that is why I admire and respect the Bayern model.
 

napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
4,129
However, losing a Vidal or Pogba would most definitely set us back.
I'm disagree with that, as good as they are, they are not the type that can constantly single handedly change a game like world class/legendary attackers would.

losing a pogba/vidal but gaining tevez+di maria type of pair would actually strengthen us.
 

Alex-444

Senior Member
Sep 5, 2005
30,016
Andrea Agnelli believes football needs to fight for a change of culture in order to fully rid its stadia of discrimination and become a place for families and children to enjoy the game in a welcoming environment.

The Juventus president, speaking live on CNN’s World Sport show, started by outlining the club’s tireless efforts to tackle social exclusion through carefully planned charity projects before reflecting on the overall landscape in Italy.

And he remains confident that the issue can be efficiently dealt with through both the positive work of UEFA and willingness of clubs to collaborate by promoting correct attitudes across the board.

Agnelli began: “Any form of racism should be fought and condemned. We’re very keen on this at Juventus. We have two projects, sponsored by UNESCO, that are involved in promoting social integration across the country: 'Gioca con Me’ and 'Un Calcio al Razzismo’.

“Italy has a very unique situation at the moment: one thing is racism, one thing is territorial discrimination. Italy has always been the country of very small villages and a lot of that has been considered in Italian Federation board meetings which have enhanced the principles of UEFA. It’s something that we need to look into ourselves. It’s important to say that much of what’s happening in the country today is not racism but in fact a peculiarity typical to Italy.

“It’s a matter of culture, you have to raise the culture. Many of these chants have been the same for the past 20 to 25 years. They’ve gone unheard for the past 20 years and suddenly, because there is a right and reasonable principle which is enhanced by UEFA and embraced by the federations and the clubs, it’s now that we’re trying to fight against it.

“We need to strive for a change of culture and this requires a bit of time. So we have to make sure we take small steps in the same direction and fight to try and eradicate all forms of racism from the grounds. Those are the places where we want to take our children and families and it’s important to make sure that the right messages are being passed across in football stadia.”

Agnelli also touched on the much-debated topic of the 2022 World Cup in Qatar. While there has been plenty of talk regarding the tournament being rescheduled from the traditional summer months of June and July, Agnelli believes it is fundamental that all parties – clubs, players, sponsors and broadcasters – are each given the opportunity to be correctly represented before a final decision is made.

He continued: “It’s good that there’s a lot of discussion about it. Everyone within the football family wants to make sure that the right choice is made. I think there’s been a clear position from the FIFA Executives Committee, who say that a decision will be taken after the 2014 World Cup in Brazil. That should leave us plenty of time to come to a correct conclusion.

“We tend to speak a lot about the players who feature in the World Cup, but they’re only a minority of those involved, we have to think about what the rest of the football community will do. What is important is that the clubs’ points of view will be listened to and the ECA will ensure that we are represented by the right bodies.

“The TV broadcasters will have their own say. For instance, with the American market, would a product that could potentially go on sale during the regular season of NFL, NBA, NHL have the same value as it would in June or July? There are a lot of players that need to come to an agreement, but I’m confident that with the good will of everybody a good solution will be found within the interest of football itself.”
http://www.juventus.com/juve/en/news/agnelli_cnn_interview
 

kronos

Senior Member
Aug 16, 2011
1,845
Guys how can you justify what Agnelli said?
When we are stating all the time that we are not a selling club and that we won't be selling our stars in order to become one of the best in Europe.
A don't like his attitude at all and tbh I would be really glad if he stopped making these stupid statements. Like two years ago when he announced in November that we wouldn't be renewing Ale's contract. What's the matter with this dude?
 

napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
4,129
Guys how can you justify what Agnelli said?
if we got shitloads of money to add quality to the squad, which is on a decline when you really fair and analyze it thoroughly.

the defense is aging, fast and somewhat brutal as we've seen this season; pirlo also, then the padoins, pelusos, quaqs/giovincos, we rather can't rely on need to be improved; also the rather unexpected lowish income we can generate also not going to help us compete with the big rich clubs.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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Andrea Agnelli believes football needs to fight for a change of culture in order to fully rid its stadia of discrimination and become a place for families and children to enjoy the game in a welcoming environment.

The Juventus president, speaking live on CNN’s World Sport show, started by outlining the club’s tireless efforts to tackle social exclusion through carefully planned charity projects before reflecting on the overall landscape in Italy.

And he remains confident that the issue can be efficiently dealt with through both the positive work of UEFA and willingness of clubs to collaborate by promoting correct attitudes across the board.

Agnelli began: “Any form of racism should be fought and condemned. We’re very keen on this at Juventus. We have two projects, sponsored by UNESCO, that are involved in promoting social integration across the country: 'Gioca con Me’ and 'Un Calcio al Razzismo’.

“Italy has a very unique situation at the moment: one thing is racism, one thing is territorial discrimination. Italy has always been the country of very small villages and a lot of that has been considered in Italian Federation board meetings which have enhanced the principles of UEFA. It’s something that we need to look into ourselves. It’s important to say that much of what’s happening in the country today is not racism but in fact a peculiarity typical to Italy.

“It’s a matter of culture, you have to raise the culture. Many of these chants have been the same for the past 20 to 25 years. They’ve gone unheard for the past 20 years and suddenly, because there is a right and reasonable principle which is enhanced by UEFA and embraced by the federations and the clubs, it’s now that we’re trying to fight against it.

“We need to strive for a change of culture and this requires a bit of time. So we have to make sure we take small steps in the same direction and fight to try and eradicate all forms of racism from the grounds. Those are the places where we want to take our children and families and it’s important to make sure that the right messages are being passed across in football stadia.”

Agnelli also touched on the much-debated topic of the 2022 World Cup in Qatar. While there has been plenty of talk regarding the tournament being rescheduled from the traditional summer months of June and July, Agnelli believes it is fundamental that all parties – clubs, players, sponsors and broadcasters – are each given the opportunity to be correctly represented before a final decision is made.

He continued: “It’s good that there’s a lot of discussion about it. Everyone within the football family wants to make sure that the right choice is made. I think there’s been a clear position from the FIFA Executives Committee, who say that a decision will be taken after the 2014 World Cup in Brazil. That should leave us plenty of time to come to a correct conclusion.

“We tend to speak a lot about the players who feature in the World Cup, but they’re only a minority of those involved, we have to think about what the rest of the football community will do. What is important is that the clubs’ points of view will be listened to and the ECA will ensure that we are represented by the right bodies.

“The TV broadcasters will have their own say. For instance, with the American market, would a product that could potentially go on sale during the regular season of NFL, NBA, NHL have the same value as it would in June or July? There are a lot of players that need to come to an agreement, but I’m confident that with the good will of everybody a good solution will be found within the interest of football itself.”
http://www.juventus.com/juve/en/news/agnelli_cnn_interview

:sergio:
 
May 22, 2007
37,256
I don't like him, and I don't trust him.

He has done well so far, but certain things could've been handled better. Also, that other fucker who cares more about cricket and Formula 1 should have a more active role, and inject more money into the club.

I hear a lot of people talking about copying the Bayern model, but I see us becoming more of a Dortmund, especially if the league doesn't wake the fuck up.
John Elkann is the CEO of Exor, his job isn't to show he cares about Juve over Ferrari (or vice versa), and he's not a billionaire trying to protect his wealth with a football club. There is a reason the cricket investment example is now used to mock the idiots whinging about it, as people don't understand John's job is making profitable investments for an investment company. Ferrari are also profitable for Exor, and their profits are higher than ever lately. And just to make things sweet, when Juve was at it's lowest, this "other fucker" decided to increase capital by €120m, which is the reason Juve are at this point right now. I don't think that was ever viewed as something to make returns, but it's brought Juve success and trophies.

I have obviously noticed, and I am impressed. The next step is the real challenge. The transition from domestic powerhouse to a serious contender in Europe, and then a bonafide European heavyweight. The question is, how long before we actually make an impact in Europe? Serie A is a fast declining league, and in all honesty, winning the Serie A title doesn't have the same resonance and prestige it did in the past.

I want us to be able to compete with the European heavyweights once again. However, is it going to take 5 or 20 years?
Compete with the European heavyweights in what, exactly? Juventus have one of the top squads in Europe and one of the best coaches.
 

Klin

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May 27, 2009
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I don't like him, and I don't trust him.

He has done well so far, but certain things could've been handled better. Also, that other fucker who cares more about cricket and Formula 1 should have a more active role, and inject more money into the club.

I hear a lot of people talking about copying the Bayern model, but I see us becoming more of a Dortmund, especially if the league doesn't wake the fuck up.
:touched:
 

Klovn

#MakeTuzGreatAgain
Jul 28, 2011
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I'm disagree with that, as good as they are, they are not the type that can constantly single handedly change a game like world class/legendary attackers would.

losing a pogba/vidal but gaining tevez+di maria type of pair would actually strengthen us.
If i show you how many points Vidal has won single handly. Will you then shut up about the talks of selling Vidal?
 

napoleonic

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Sep 7, 2010
4,129
If i show you how many points Vidal has won single handly. Will you then shut up about the talks of selling Vidal?
much less than how many times platinis, baggios, del pieros, ronaldos, messis and ronaldinhos won the matches single handedly.

you want to win football trophies? score more goals than tackles.
 

Deep C

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Apr 8, 2012
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It's simply amazing how having an articulate, intelligent and forward-thinking president, who has identified Calcio's malaise and is putting himself out there in the fight to improve our situation by addressing the issues at hand in a realistic, adult and pragmatic fashion, is somehow an embarrassment to a large segment of Juventino on this board.
Where a president speaks about, and works toward, a solid and sustainable future in a changing sports world that years ago left Italy behind, while maintaining that we have just begun that journey and must go about it with both humility and ambition. Shocking concepts, it would seem.

It really does boggle the mind.

No no, let's continue to live in la-la land. The la-la land where rich owners pump infinite money into the club, while presidents act like corrupt cartoon figures and the world claps their hands.
Where the whole world automatically adores Calcio, where Juventus is automatically the greatest club ever (and forever, ever), and where massive running track adorned stadia are filled with passionate (and somewhat racist) ultras that all bring in the money for the local council while families and business men stay at home. Let's all stay there and cuddle.
 

Nzoric

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Jan 16, 2011
37,869
It's simply amazing how having an articulate, intelligent and forward-thinking president, who has identified Calcio's malaise and is putting himself out there in the fight to improve our situation by addressing the issues at hand in a realistic, adult and pragmatic fashion, is somehow an embarrassment to a large segment of Juventino on this board.
Where a president speaks about, and works toward, a solid and sustainable future in a changing sports world that years ago left Italy behind, while maintaining that we have just begun that journey and must go about it with both humility and ambition. Shocking concepts, it would seem.

It really does boggle the mind.

No no, let's continue to live in la-la land. The la-la land where rich owners pump infinite money into the club, while presidents act like corrupt cartoon figures and the world claps their hands.
Where the whole world automatically adores Calcio, where Juventus is automatically the greatest club ever (and forever, ever), and where massive running track adorned stadia are filled with passionate (and somewhat racist) ultras that all bring in the money for the local council while families and business men stay at home. Let's all stay there and cuddle.
You're jumping from one extreme to another here. No one here, including you, wants to see the Serie A being transformed into the EPL. Fine, tackle racism - I'm all for it. But don't put territorial discrimination - which all the ultra's are fans of - under the blanket of racism. That way the struggle to kick racism out of football becomes void of content, as the FIGC are using the racism card as a trumph card to do whatever they like. The middle road.
 

Deep C

Senior Member
Apr 8, 2012
2,096
You're jumping from one extreme to another here. No one here, including you, wants to see the Serie A being transformed into the EPL. Fine, tackle racism - I'm all for it. But don't put territorial discrimination - which all the ultra's are fans of - under the blanket of racism. That way the struggle to kick racism out of football becomes void of content, as the FIGC are using the racism card as a trumph card to do whatever they like. The middle road.
I'm not equating territorial discrimination, as it's so aptly named, with racism.
 

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