Not just two players but two of the best in NFL.
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you just resigned Kerley, stop whining!
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I'd think the main reason for the release is system fit, or lack thereof, the extra cap-space is just gravy.
Cap room can be very deceptive - you think it's plenty and then all of a sudden it's gone. No limit to how much a team can roll-over onto ext year and once 9ers build up a good team, keeping it together would be a lot easier.
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I'd keep away from Stills - character concerns have always been part of that package.
Really talented and deep draft at DB, OLB/DE, TE, RB.
average to pretty good at MLB
Relatively poor draft class at QB, WR, OL, DT
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I'd think the main reason for the release is system fit, or lack thereof, the extra cap-space is just gravy.
Cap room can be very deceptive - you think it's plenty and then all of a sudden it's gone. No limit to how much a team can roll-over onto ext year and once 9ers build up a good team, keeping it together would be a lot easier.
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I'd keep away from Stills - character concerns have always been part of that package.
Really talented and deep draft at DB, OLB/DE, TE, RB.
average to pretty good at MLB
Relatively poor draft class at QB, WR, OL, DT
Primarily Chung and McCourty; decent chance they bring back Harmon.
No, he had character issues coming out of the draft and from a 2nd round talent, iirc he went undrafted. He was good only this last season and will still probably get paid outside of Pats' range.
In such a strong DB draft class, I don't expect the Pats to sign any DB free-agents except try to bring back their own - Logan Ryan (likely gone) and Duron Harmon. Patriots will reload in the secondary from the draft.
Would love to see Mycah Hyde come to the Pats but doubt they will be willing to pay him - loved Hyde out of the 2013 draft as a perfect fit for the Pats and still can't believe they didn;t go for him despite him falling to 5th round.
No, he had character issues coming out of the draft and from a 2nd round talent, iirc he went undrafted. He was good only this last season and will still probably get paid outside of Pats' range.
In such a strong DB draft class, I don't expect the Pats to sign any DB free-agents except try to bring back their own - Logan Ryan (likely gone) and Duron Harmon. Patriots will reload in the secondary from the draft.
Would love to see Mycah Hyde come to the Pats but doubt they will be willing to pay him - loved Hyde out of the 2013 draft as a perfect fit for the Pats and still can't believe they didn;t go for him despite him falling to 5th round.
Mike Glennon to the Bears?
It's being reported that they are really pursuing him.
Also, Tampa is pushing hard for Desean Jackson
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Now you can eat like Tom Brady
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-patriots-endorses-meal-subscription-business
All things being equal, if I had the chance to eat what Tom does, I would rather it be Gisele than some gluten free pancakes.
It's being reported that they are really pursuing him.
Also, Tampa is pushing hard for Desean Jackson
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Now you can eat like Tom Brady
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-patriots-endorses-meal-subscription-business
All things being equal, if I had the chance to eat what Tom does, I would rather it be Gisele than some gluten free pancakes.
Antoine Bethea.
Gone, gone gone. To the surprise of no one. Once they said they were moving Jimmy Ward to safety. How much money saved you ask?
5.75 million.
Please spend some of that cap space. Not all of it (Unless you really don't want me around as a fan anymore. This can be arranged) But please get some young UFA's in here. Please. If I see them sign someone and their age begins with a 3, I'm going to be pissed.
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Moral of the story.
The 49ers were cheap AND shitty.
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Ahmad Brooks, step on up to the chopping block buddy.
You be next.
Gone, gone gone. To the surprise of no one. Once they said they were moving Jimmy Ward to safety. How much money saved you ask?
5.75 million.
Please spend some of that cap space. Not all of it (Unless you really don't want me around as a fan anymore. This can be arranged) But please get some young UFA's in here. Please. If I see them sign someone and their age begins with a 3, I'm going to be pissed.
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Moral of the story.
The 49ers were cheap AND shitty.
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Ahmad Brooks, step on up to the chopping block buddy.
You be next.
- way to milk the details No, not because the price is too high - although 9ers will have to give Cousins a big contract immediately - but because I don't believe that Cousins is the QB you want if your ultimate goal is to become a true contender. If the idea is to stop sucking and get to the level of being an above average team, then getting Cousins for that price is a good deal.
Cousins is a very capable QB, who seems to be smart enough to process info in real-time - read D coverages, go thru progressions, etc. What he ultimately lacks, and I don;t think that will change, is that "it" factor of a winner - he blinks in the spot-light, so to speak, he lacks that cutting-edge mentality.
In the end of the day, the difference between a great QB and just a good one is in the heart and mind of the player, not a matter of arm-talent.
If 9ers aim at becoming a contender 2-3 years from now, I would either go for Garoppolo or sink the ship completely for one of the QBs projected to come out in the 2018 draft and hope I get a winner.
Maybe Jimmy G or Darnold/Rosen/Allen prove to be "the man", maybe they don't ... what I do know for sure is that Cousins isn't.
Truth be told, I forgot they signed him, so I had to say something.
If not Cousins, then I am looking at someone like Schaub to be that bridge QB, with a very very high pick in '18 at the other side of that bridge.
As far as your theory with contending in 2-3 years and bringing in Jimmy G. That wouldn't make sense for this team if they want to start contending in 2-3 years, for a couple of reasons.
#1) We need all of the draft picks we can get, and giving up 2 1st round picks is counterproductive to that process for a 25 year old with limited reps.
#2) The contract that we would have to give him would average out to somewhere in the 16-18 million dollar range. Why do that when you can draft high enough to get one of the top QB prospects at a cap hit at 1/3rd that amount annually for the first few years?
#3) Assuming that they are a contending team, he will already be 28 or 29 by that time. The young guy that we could get would at most, be 25 years old.
If not Cousins, then I am looking at someone like Schaub to be that bridge QB, with a very very high pick in '18 at the other side of that bridge.
As far as your theory with contending in 2-3 years and bringing in Jimmy G. That wouldn't make sense for this team if they want to start contending in 2-3 years, for a couple of reasons.
#1) We need all of the draft picks we can get, and giving up 2 1st round picks is counterproductive to that process for a 25 year old with limited reps.
#2) The contract that we would have to give him would average out to somewhere in the 16-18 million dollar range. Why do that when you can draft high enough to get one of the top QB prospects at a cap hit at 1/3rd that amount annually for the first few years?
#3) Assuming that they are a contending team, he will already be 28 or 29 by that time. The young guy that we could get would at most, be 25 years old.
I personally agree that for a team like the 9ers, who have one of the most talent-lacking rosters out there, waiting out the 2018 draft to get their QB will probably make the most sense.
There are different ways to go about building a team, though. Depending on how 9ers see Jimmy G, if they believe he is their guy, you go get him and then start building around him. The value of a pick is ultimately determined by the player you get for it, so if you get your franchise QB for the next 10+ years for two 1st rounders, you can do a lot, a lot worse than that.
With Jimmy G, the NFL tape may be limited but he looked mighty good on it too. It's anybody's guess how any one of those rookies in 2018 will eventually develop. There is also the risk you draft a guy and all of sudden they put too much pressure on him for quick results, not allowing him to develop properly. Usually it takes 3-4 years to truly know what you have in a rookie QB. A QB, who showed just potential but nothing more in year 1 and 2, may blossom by year 4.
Way too often, NFL teams are operating on a clock when it comes to return of their investment and they tend to burn out their young QBs.
Will the 9ers be patient enough to wait this process out? Who knows ... right now everyone in San Fran is talking about being on the same page but a couple of years of underwhelming performances and results and those 6 year contracts could easily turn into 2-3 year deals. If the coach and GM find themselves under pressure to save their job, would they be patient enough with the young QB?
There are different ways to go about building a team, though. Depending on how 9ers see Jimmy G, if they believe he is their guy, you go get him and then start building around him. The value of a pick is ultimately determined by the player you get for it, so if you get your franchise QB for the next 10+ years for two 1st rounders, you can do a lot, a lot worse than that.
With Jimmy G, the NFL tape may be limited but he looked mighty good on it too. It's anybody's guess how any one of those rookies in 2018 will eventually develop. There is also the risk you draft a guy and all of sudden they put too much pressure on him for quick results, not allowing him to develop properly. Usually it takes 3-4 years to truly know what you have in a rookie QB. A QB, who showed just potential but nothing more in year 1 and 2, may blossom by year 4.
Way too often, NFL teams are operating on a clock when it comes to return of their investment and they tend to burn out their young QBs.
Will the 9ers be patient enough to wait this process out? Who knows ... right now everyone in San Fran is talking about being on the same page but a couple of years of underwhelming performances and results and those 6 year contracts could easily turn into 2-3 year deals. If the coach and GM find themselves under pressure to save their job, would they be patient enough with the young QB?
For a team in a total rebuild like the 49ers, what is underwhelming? What was underwhelming to me was the inability to admit that they had to start over again, instead trying to find ways to be mediocre. Being mediocre works in Cleveland, it works in San Diego. It does not work for a franchise that has 5 Lombardi trophies.
The most pleasing sign to me that the ownership was willing to admit its mistakes and take on a true rebuild was the fact that both Shanahan and Lynch received those 6 year contracts. It was a signal that they get it. It was a signal to the fans that they understand now that they need to totally rebuild again, which was what most of us 49ers fans wanted in the first place. We can accept having a complete rebuild. We can be patient, as long as we know that everyone is in tune with one another, and that they have one common goal.
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There was a reason why I tuned them out last year when they hired Kelly. Because I knew that it was going to be more of the same as the previous year. Thankfully, they ended up being worse, which could be beneficial in the long run.
The most pleasing sign to me that the ownership was willing to admit its mistakes and take on a true rebuild was the fact that both Shanahan and Lynch received those 6 year contracts. It was a signal that they get it. It was a signal to the fans that they understand now that they need to totally rebuild again, which was what most of us 49ers fans wanted in the first place. We can accept having a complete rebuild. We can be patient, as long as we know that everyone is in tune with one another, and that they have one common goal.
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There was a reason why I tuned them out last year when they hired Kelly. Because I knew that it was going to be more of the same as the previous year. Thankfully, they ended up being worse, which could be beneficial in the long run.