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[KB824]

And the 49ers are not giving up the 2nd pick in the draft for a QB who has had 60 career pass attempts in the New England Patriots system. I Love Jimmy G more than anyone on this forum, but he is not worth the 2nd pick in this draft, when you have QB's next year such as Darnold and Rosen who grade out much higher than Garroppolo did coming out of college.

Just because the last 2 drafts have been generally subpar in the QB position does not mean that this new regime in San Francisco suddenly get desperate.

 

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[Enron]

All the Jets picks are up for grabs. #jimmytime

 

[KB824]

And here is the thing. Everyone seems to think that New England has the upper hand here. That is only if teams are desperate enough to give up a top 5 pick for him.


But he is an unrestricted free agent next year. If they don't trade him this offseason or up to the trading deadline, what are they going to do? Franchise him? Franchise a backup QB? Believe me, the Patriots are as eager to trade as teams are eager to trade for him.

 

[acmilan]

Your last point might explain why the bears would be more aggressive but it doesn't address whether it is a judicious choice or not. I personally think the bears need help in defense first but seeing as we always mess up in the draft i don't mind giving our first rounder to gamble on a local boy

Actually, I think the Bears have a talented roster on D it's just that they had a ton of injuries on that side of the ball last year. I'd say, that D is a good CB and a LB away from being top 7-8 D, assuming they stay relatively healthy.
If the Bears coach and GM feel pressured to find a QB this year, then I think trading for Jimmy G is a much smarter way to go about it than picking any one of the rookie QBs this year with that 3rd pick. And even the QBs projected to come out next year, what I said earlier about them being much better than this years' class, all that was a 50K mile projection, if you know what I mean ... there is really no saying how the QB draft class for 2018 will eventually shake up or not when reality strikes a year from now - maybe there will be the next Andrew Luck in it, maybe just the next Mariota, if that.
I personally feel Jimmy G is the real deal and has everything to develop in the right system and with the right supporting cast into a top 10-12 QB in the NFL ... maybe even more. That's why I am not too sure I'd be happy see him go, if he were to go ... then again, with Brady showing no signs of slowing down, Pats might not have much of a choice if they can get a king's ransom in return. They aren't trading him for some garbage 2nd round pick, though, that much I am certain of.

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And here is the thing. Everyone seems to think that New England has the upper hand here. That is only if teams are desperate enough to give up a top 5 pick for him.


But he is an unrestricted free agent next year. If they don't trade him this offseason or up to the trading deadline, what are they going to do? Franchise him? Franchise a backup QB? Believe me, the Patriots are as eager to trade as teams are eager to trade for him.

it all depends on how the Pats see JG - if they see him as just a system QB then you are right, they will just look to maximize his value and move him now. If they see him as a proper TB12 heir, however, they will not move him for anything short a king's ransom or will try to hold onto him for as long as possible given every next year could be Tommy's last.
In that scenario, they will franchise him if they have to - if they can't sign him to an extension - and they have the cap-room to do it.

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All the Jets picks are up for grabs. #jimmytime

not sure BB will have the sack to trade him to a div rival though

 

[KB824]

But if they see him as a proper heir, which I do, by the way, provided that he stays in New England, then don't even entertain the thought of moving him. You could have a Montana/Young luxury for the 21st century.

And if this draft had the Winston/Mariota type of 1 2 punch at the top, then talks of getting a top 5 pick for Jimmy would be non existent

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Guess who made himself some money today?

Mr John " I just ran a 4.22 40 " Ross

 

[acmilan]

But if they see him as a proper heir, which I do, by the way, provided that he stays in New England, then don't even entertain the thought of moving him. You could have a Montana/Young luxury for the 21st century.

And if this draft had the Winston/Mariota type of 1 2 punch at the top, then talks of getting a top 5 pick for Jimmy would be non existent

If they see him that way, I don't think they move Jimmy unless they can get multiple first rounders, including a 1st round pick in 2018.
I personally would not move him for a single 1st rounder - even if his ceiling is a top 15 QB (i.e. not exactly a Steve Young 2.0) he'd be more valuable to the Pats than any player they can get in the 1st round, especially now with Brady entering his 40s.

Even if the QB class had a clear 1-2 at the top, there are plenty of teams out there in need of a QB.
If a team is looking at the 2018 class, they cannot assume they will get a shot at any of the top Qbs there as most teams that end up in the top picks are QB-needy. In a suck-for-Darnold competition, a 3-13 record could well place a team outside the top 5, easily.
That's where trading for a QB has its advantages too - a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
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But if they see him as a proper heir, which I do, by the way, provided that he stays in New England, then don't even entertain the thought of moving him. You could have a Montana/Young luxury for the 21st century.

And if this draft had the Winston/Mariota type of 1 2 punch at the top, then talks of getting a top 5 pick for Jimmy would be non existent

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Guess who made himself some money today?

Mr John " I just ran a 4.22 40 " Ross

Les Snead or Rick Spillman are about to trade their entire drafts for Ross.

 

[acmilan]

 

[Nomuken]

Record broken...injury gained

 

[acmilan]

If 9ers don't get Solomon Thomas at #2, Jed the Jedi should fire Lynch's ass.

 

[KB824]

If 9ers don't get Solomon Thomas at #2, Jed the Jedi should fire Lynch's ass.

What??

Thomas is good, but he is not THAT good. #2 pick, that is crazy. He's nowhere close to even being the 2nd best defensive player in this draft. There are at least 3 guys in the secondary who are ranked higher than him.


I see the Patriots tried to get Brandin Cooks by only offering their 1st round pick from this year. Kid is 23 years old coming off of back to back 1000 yard seasons. Going to take more than that to get him.

 

[acmilan]

What??

Thomas is good, but he is not THAT good. #2 pick, that is crazy. He's nowhere close to even being the 2nd best defensive player in this draft. There are at least 3 guys in the secondary who are ranked higher than him.


I see the Patriots tried to get Brandin Cooks by only offering their 1st round pick from this year. Kid is 23 years old coming off of back to back 1000 yard seasons. Going to take more than that to get him.

Oh, yes, babe he is ... Thomas will eventually turn out to be the best Defender in this entire draft, even more so than Myles Garret, Foster, Allen, or any of the safeties or corners. Thomas is an absolute stud of a chess piece. The question is, will your 9ers realize it 'cause I am absolutely sure the Browns ain't gonna see it.

I am not buying the whole Cooks story - more likely than not, it's just a way to drive his price up, considering the rumor is he is the one who is pushing for a trade, leaving the Saints with little leverage.
Cooks is a great athlete but he is soon gonna cost way more than the Pats will ever pay for a WR, plus he seems to be a bit of a diva - not what the Pats would go for, let alone give up a 1st round pick.
No one is giving a 1st round pick for Cooks and a year from now, Saints will be begging other teams to take him.

 

[Nomuken]

Love this

 

[acmilan]

Love this

still living in the past, I see.

in related news, Pats already won another SB in 2017

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@King of Kings

 

[KB824]

At least 14-15 million per year for Mike Glennon.

That's like using a platinum card at a yard sale.


Now just watch. The 49ers will sign him, and I will look like a fucking idiot.

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Torrey Smith is going to be released.

We already have over 90 million in cap space. How much more do we need?

 

[acmilan]

A rebuilding team can never have too much cap-room. And T. Smith was a luxury toy with a questionable fit in the Kyle S system.

 

[Salvo]

I wonder if we will have any receivers next season

 

[Nomuken]

@acmilan lol couldn't get over that but I just love Edelman and he's from my place California. Tom Brady Cali kid too

 

[KB824]

A rebuilding team can never have too much cap-room. And T. Smith was a luxury toy with a questionable fit in the Kyle S system.

True, but building through free agency never works. The only way it can make sense for me are to sign young guys like Bouye and Hightower. We need young athletes

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And we saved 4.5 million, so it's not as if they got massive cap space

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@acmilan lol couldn't get over that but I just love Edelman and he's from my place California. Tom Brady Cali kid too

Wow. 2 players in the NFL from the state of California.

What are the odds..................

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I wonder if we will have any receivers next season

Kenny Stills. I can seriously see that happening

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This class of defensive backs is the deepest I have seen in the draft in a long time.

 

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True, but building through free agency never works. The only way it can make sense for me are to sign young guys like Bouye and Hightower. We need young athletes

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And we saved 4.5 million, so it's not as if they got massive cap space

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Wow. 2 players in the NFL from the state of California.

What are the odds..................

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Kenny Stills. I can seriously see that happening

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This class of defensive backs is the deepest I have seen in the draft in a long time.

Would be good

 

[acmilan]

I wonder if we will have any receivers next season

you just resigned Kerley, stop whining!

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True, but building through free agency never works. The only way it can make sense for me are to sign young guys like Bouye and Hightower. We need young athletes

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And we saved 4.5 million, so it's not as if they got massive cap space

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Wow. 2 players in the NFL from the state of California.

What are the odds..................

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Kenny Stills. I can seriously see that happening

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This class of defensive backs is the deepest I have seen in the draft in a long time.

I'd think the main reason for the release is system fit, or lack thereof, the extra cap-space is just gravy.
Cap room can be very deceptive - you think it's plenty and then all of a sudden it's gone. No limit to how much a team can roll-over onto ext year and once 9ers build up a good team, keeping it together would be a lot easier.

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@acmilan lol couldn't get over that but I just love Edelman and he's from my place California. Tom Brady Cali kid too

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Kenny Stills. I can seriously see that happening

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This class of defensive backs is the deepest I have seen in the draft in a long time.

I'd keep away from Stills - character concerns have always been part of that package.

Really talented and deep draft at DB, OLB/DE, TE, RB.
average to pretty good at MLB
Relatively poor draft class at QB, WR, OL, DT