Able Xavier Converts to Islam (3 Viewers)

[Zé Tahir]

Anyone has the option to look into anything. That is a very far cry from a belief system that is "meant for everyone".



You make a statement that isn't backed up by any facts whatsoever. I call BS. This makes you feel insulted?

Show me some shred of proof that Muslims go "the extra mile" then.

I don't have to explain how Muslims or worshipers of other religions go the extra mile, you should be able to see the difference between how your day-to-day life differs from your theirs.

There are two paths one can take in life. One path leads to God. It is full of 'thorns', struggles, and challenges. It is a difficult path but it's rewarding. Because when you put an effort into something and work for it you get to truly feel joy when you are rewarded for it.

We are free to pick this path or the opposite path. The path away from God is full of temptations. It looks and feels easy. It offers great joy in this life but none in the hereafter but since the ones that choose this path can't see beyond this world they continue on this path.

Yeah but they still smoke, apparently that's a-okay with M's teachings on how to keep your body healthy. umpkin:

Actually in M's teachings you're not supposed to consume/have too much of something. Sugar is not forbidden but if you develop a habit out of it then you're supposed to break that habit.

 

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[Martin]

I don't have to explain how Muslims or worshipers of other religions go the extra mile, you should be able to see the difference between how your day-to-day life differs from your theirs.

Should I? If this were some kind of pattern, then surely we'd know about it, wouldn't we? It'd be common knowledge, no? Instead it's just something some (not all, by any means) religious people like to say. I don't even know what you meant when you said "go the extra mile", for all I know it could mean doing something that is completely irrelevant to the plight of other people like say, praying for them.

There are two paths one can take in life. One path leads to God. It is full of 'thorns', struggles, and challenges. It is a difficult path but it's rewarding. Because when you put an effort into something and work for it you get to truly feel joy when you are rewarded for it.

We are free to pick this path or the opposite path. The path away from God is full of temptations. It looks and feels easy. It offers great joy in this life but none in the hereafter but since the ones that choose this path can't see beyond this world they continue on this path.

Here's a question: why is it that you are enjoying slavery so much?

 

[Zé Tahir]

Should I? If this were some kind of pattern, then surely we'd know about it, wouldn't we? It'd be common knowledge, no? Instead it's just something some (not all, by any means) religious people like to say. I don't even know what you meant when you said "go the extra mile", for all I know it could mean doing something that is completely irrelevant to the plight of other people like say, praying for them.

Prayer is not all of it but that is part of it. I'm not going to argue this with you because we won't get anywhere.

Here's a question: why is it that you are enjoying slavery so much?

What slavery?

 

[IrishZebra]

I don't have to explain how Muslims or worshipers of other religions go the extra mile, you should be able to see the difference between how your day-to-day life differs from your theirs.

There are two paths one can take in life. One path leads to God. It is full of 'thorns', struggles, and challenges. It is a difficult path but it's rewarding. Because when you put an effort into something and work for it you get to truly feel joy when you are rewarded for it.

We are free to pick this path or the opposite path. The path away from God is full of temptations. It looks and feels easy. It offers great joy in this life but none in the hereafter but since the ones that choose this path can't see beyond this world they continue on this path.

Boy are you gonna be pissed off.

You are right though there are two paths one can go down, the path of truth,justice and dignity, morality without the incentive of threat, justice without the guise of higher planning, a path taken by the self-assured and unafraid and the path of Religion.

There are those of us that endeavour to do good simply becuase it is good not for divine reward, mocked for our beliefs as much as the next man but not to bitch about it. Don't act all high a mighty with me saying you're the way I live my life is wronfg I live my life with logic and empathy not blind faith and fear, you can choose to believe what you want safe in the knowledge that your elitist brainwashed brethren of fellow Theocrats are getting a divine reward. Truthfully I don't despise you or your beliefs, I pity you and others that have yet to realise that Religion is a lie and an opiut (if you'll forgive the Marx reference)

It not so nice when the Elitism is turned against you is it?

 

[Martin]

Prayer is not all of it but that is part of it. I'm not going to argue this with you because we won't get anywhere.

So whom were you trying to convince when you said that in response to Hoori?

What slavery?

God is the ultimate dictator, yes? He tells you what to do, what to eat, when to pray, how to live. Or else. You do this to suck up to him. That's what it's all about. They don't say "are you a god fearing man?" for nothing, that's really what it means.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Pfft, you wouldn't know what 'good' was if it wasn't for God sending down his word every now and then.

Excuse me for not giving a lengthier reply, my head is pounding.

 

[IrishZebra]

Pfft, you wouldn't know what 'good' was if it wasn't for God sending down his word every now and then.

Excuse me for not giving a lengthier reply, my head is pounding.

Were you addressing me?

 

[Martin]

Pfft, you wouldn't know what 'good' was if it wasn't for God sending down his word every now and then.

Good as in homosexuals should be discriminated against?

Excuse me for not giving a lengthier reply, my head is pounding.

Sucks to hear. Hope you feel better.

 

[Zé Tahir]

So whom were you trying to convince when you said that in response to Hoori?

Not trying to convince anyone. Was simply stating the difference between someone who spends his life in accordance with God's instructions (as he/she see's it) vs someone who doesn't.

God is the ultimate dictator, yes? He tells you what to do, what to eat, when to pray, how to live. Or else. You do this to suck up to him. That's what it's all about. They don't say "are you a god fearing man?" for nothing, that's really what it means.

He's the one that gave me the ability to do anything, he's the one that gave me food, and life. I can spend less than half an hour total in a day thanking him for that.

Okay, that's my last post on this. I really don't have any intentions of getting into an argument with an atheist. Learned a long time ago that it's pointless. I simply defend Islam from misconceptions

 

[Zé Tahir]

Good as in homosexuals should be discriminated against?

Homosexuals shouldn't be discriminated against. Them being against Islam is one thing and being mistreated is another. The latter is unacceptable to me.

Sucks to hear. Hope you feel better.

Tackar. Tror jag ska kolla på en film nu. Förslag?

Gott Nytt År förresten

 

[IrishZebra]

I commend you Ze, it's a very rare thing to find a theists that's come to the realisation not to argue with logic and facts...I mean Atheists.

 

[Martin]

He's the one that gave me the ability to do anything, he's the one that gave me food, and life. I can spend less than half an hour total in a day thanking him for that.

Right, so if I give life to a kid of mine I own him. I tell him what to do, where to be, how to live, everything. I created something = my property. And if he just happens to be born gay through no fault of his own I'm gonna send him to hell, literally hell. Just because I can. Man I rock.

 

[Martin]

Tackar. Tror jag ska kolla på en film nu. Förslag?

Gott Nytt År förresten

Not at the moment, the last movie I saw was italian and rather artsy.

Godt nyttår

 

[Zé Tahir]

I commend you Ze, it's a very rare thing to find a theists that's come to the realisation not to argue with logic and facts...I mean Atheists.

You give yourself too much credit. No, I realized this when this verse finally sunk in:

[2:19] They are deaf, dumb and blind; so they will not return.

 

[Eddy]

You give yourself too much credit. No, I realized this when this verse finally sunk in:

[2:19] They are deaf, dumb and blind; so they will not return.

Funny, I thought this was my motto to theists Ze

 

[IrishZebra]

You give yourself too much credit. No, I realized this when this verse finally sunk in:

[2:19] They are deaf, dumb and blind; so they will not return.

You sir are fast becoming my favourite member.

 

[Martin]

Even if you were to assume malicious intent, what would you do about it? You're going heads to heads with God?

What about the Palestinians? Do they have a chance in hell? No. Are they fighting back? Yes. See what I mean?

Besides, if one would be born gay, he would be born gay because God wanted him to be born gay.

Good point, I couldn't agree more. Tell that to the religious leaders of the world.

 

[IrishZebra]

Gay people are genetic abnormalities

 

[IrishZebra]

I would not quite say that it is scientific fact that one is born gay yet.

It's more fact than god existing.

 

[IrishZebra]

It doesn't matter either way. As for God existing, they call it faith. I don't have to prove to you that God exists.

You do if yo want to use it as factual evidence in a discussion.